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asciilifeform: didn't ben_vulpes ( or trinque ? ) write a block debugger ?
mircea_popescu: i've looked at the block specifically, i can't figure out why it would say such a thing myself.
mircea_popescu: that the log essentially consists of complaints that txn can't be validated and so the block can't be added.
mircea_popescu: jurov haven't published qntra report yet, no.
ben_vulpes: i have no idea what goes on in these certificate program scams but i can't imagine not leaving if someone actually put a coloring book in front of me
asciilifeform: what_mp_had_and_dulap_didnt.txt << GRRRR ought to read 'zulag didn't'
asciilifeform: so looks like zoolag (and dulap, and everybody) reorged, but mircea_popescu's node didn't
mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as node wasn't capable of extracting itself naturally, and it IS a trb node, this qualifies as successful attack against network, by and large.
asciilifeform: but your-last isn't, it seems, mine-any.
asciilifeform: at any rate plz don't lose that thing's blockchain, mircea_popescu , can use my 'blkcut' or ben_vulpes's ver of same, to get at the blox
asciilifeform: does it still, for instance, have orphanages ?! because that ain't really modern trb, in any real sense
asciilifeform: what ELSE doesn't it have ??
a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 13:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621436 << the chickens ain't txing. no moar so today than in '11.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 16:27 phf: ihttp://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620670 << i've had similar experience before. girl does that "can i be an extra person in your tribe" thing, hovering, circling, eyeing. so me and my girl will approach, just for the girl to run away in panic. we call it gazel hunting. i've noticed the more "selling it" girl looks, the more likely she's to panic when approached by guy AND girl. incidently i don't know any strippers who look like strippers off work. but i've m
asciilifeform: the classical 'kickstarter' business model -- 'hey, it ain't ~us~ defrauding you, it's this stable of monkeys over there, you agreed to trust them'
phf: ihttp://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620670 << i've had similar experience before. girl does that "can i be an extra person in your tribe" thing, hovering, circling, eyeing. so me and my girl will approach, just for the girl to run away in panic. we call it gazel hunting. i've noticed the more "selling it" girl looks, the more likely she's to panic when approached by guy AND girl. incidently i don't know any strippers who look like strippers off work. but i've m ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621436 << the chickens ain't txing. no moar so today than in '11. ☝︎☟︎
trinque: though while difficulty increases (and block size stays the same) I don't see how even these will not be forced into paying higher fees.
ben_vulpes: > I guess and I don't bother to check, so check it yourself
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
asciilifeform: 'As we’ve already seen in the example with /etc/passwd, the widespread use of plain text can lead to performance problems. ' << and dynamically loaded crapolade, orc-glyphs-in-everything, dbus, et al -- don't, apparently ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's about a girl who can't take seriously any online dweebs who attempt to immitate her style without comprehending the substance and under the guise of a very thin excuse omit to address their thanks plainly. or something like that.
asciilifeform isn't
ben_vulpes: it's how i differentiate myself from the basket of undesirables; their hrcb comes with penises which is just i can't even
mircea_popescu: on the face. there may be some merit to it in that : a) the chinese are mentally dull. i mean this specifically in the sense of chinese born baby ~= piece of furniture, funcially incapable of either finding a novel idea, evaluating it, or figuring out off own steam that should do this ; b) the euros are cuckolds. this means they're less likely to consider idea if the womenz boo hoo than if the womenz don't boo hoo ; c) the wo
mircea_popescu: olga got caught, and delivered a daughter in summer 1925, which she didn't really feel like raising. ezra told dorothy later that year ; she left for egypt *by herself* and came back next march. pregnant.
mircea_popescu: in random lulz re the luminaries of this so called english literature and their chinxcavator belles : ezra pound had some 23yo named dorothy dropped on his head by her mother ; he also was fucking olga the violinist, who some friends dropped on his head when he was complaining he's been in paris for months and doesn't even have a mistress.
ben_vulpes: in which donny t demonstrates complete twitter mastery: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/836933725602656256
mircea_popescu: but the lazy just won't let go of the holy ring. the idle complification, towards vector spaces, latices et all is just the toil of avoiding doing any work.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i dun even grasp how this is a vuln, it isn't as if 802.11 has rsa-authenticated endpoints to begin with
mircea_popescu: but pound didn't drink and did you see what fucking chinplowers he hang out with ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> new ? hasn't he been dead for 50 years ? << Ate an abercrombie and fitch shotgun, likely movie about the guy
mircea_popescu: new ? hasn't he been dead for 50 years ?
asciilifeform: and so they don;t.
asciilifeform: 'we can't have it? aite, scuttling nao'
danielpbarron: that isn't to say there aren't ways to find clicks that work well, or that in the long run the seemingly bad ones don't pay off
danielpbarron: some clicks in eulora, you have no idea what comes out and most of the time you don't like it
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. same way everything is done that we don't know how to do.
asciilifeform: aha, you won't be seeing this one in any art gallery.
mircea_popescu: and timekeeping for free doesn't seem to be a tenable proposition.
asciilifeform: so it'd have to be one of those schemes where mining isn't even a thing; or at the very least has nothing to do with cementing tx
mircea_popescu: i don't.
asciilifeform: idea being, any 'ecological' problem, with, e.g., algorithmic complexities as t-->+inf, can seem insignificant -- but enemy can waltz it into an actual problem.
asciilifeform: they don't, because apparently this 'bus' is ~empty
mircea_popescu: but they apparently don't.
mircea_popescu: it still wouldn't be true pruning.
danielpbarron: if you don't care about mining though?
asciilifeform: and yes you can compute the odds of a particular block B ending up wholly lubyized by a time T. however if you rely on the luby strings for your mining, you will be fucked timewise.
asciilifeform: didn't need'em.
asciilifeform had a prof who permitted students to bring 'all of the crib sheets and books you can carry on your miserable back, it won't help'
mircea_popescu: "you can't know math PARTIALLY well."
john_cocktail: intelligent conversation about crypto isn't easy to find, on the internet or anywhere else
mircea_popescu: that part wasn't included :p
asciilifeform: the plagiarist can make a block with higher PoW than the victim, ~every time, since he isn't handicapped by having to compute L(Z)
asciilifeform: that doesn't prove that monetary mass was not somehow added during noncoinbase ops
mircea_popescu: (and -- suddenly have an incentive to, too! because if they don]'t.... fed)
mircea_popescu: i don't see public balances are useful.
asciilifeform: if balances are visible -- anyone can see that addr A had a payment-P-shaped chunk subtracted from it at time T.
asciilifeform: ( i can't think of any reason why payee would care if payer A, or B, had supplied the agreed-upon amount )
asciilifeform: i guess this isn't one of the problems.
asciilifeform: the amts aren't secret, per the scheme, though
asciilifeform: you will find that many 'wouldn't that be useful..' items are ~entirely absent in the public lit. and no prizes for guessing why.
asciilifeform: dunno re mircea_popescu's planet, on mine, semiconductors sorta stopped, in 2009-ish, and aren't threatening to develop mega-improvement
asciilifeform: (if you need a jupiter-sized machine, it isn't very hotstuff algo-wise)
mircea_popescu: actually i suspect it can be proven that in any ordered set with two operations which admit distinct id operators / are commutative this property can't exist.
asciilifeform: say, today, k3, k4, k7, ... , k9 sign. tomorrow, k7, k21, k3, ... , k333. next day, k42, k3, ... whatever. now 'you can't verify that no subgroup...' ~within~ the algo, but someone who has the whole list and notices that only k3 recurrs...
mircea_popescu: that's where it fails, "but it can't be verified that any subgroup didn't own I5."
asciilifeform: the good noose : i don't know a proof that you ~can't~ do this...
mircea_popescu: ie, if K3 owns input I5, and if K3 signs I5, then it can be verified that the ring composed of K3, K4, K7, K9 a) signed I5, and b) owned I5 to sign it ; but it can't be verified that any subgroup didn't own I5.
BingoBoingo: Wait, shinohai aren't you in Georgia!
a111: Logged on 2016-02-06 16:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "- He says current block ciphers suck. Why? It doesn't really become clear from the discussion, which seems to be between two people who have heard a little bit about cryptography, and are trying to outdo each other in what little knowledge they have."
mircea_popescu: i'm so fucking frustrated. no mention of hamiltonian cycles, no mention of blum who came up with it, nothing. what the fuck miserable idiot am i, can't reference anything properly.
asciilifeform: rsa doesn't pretend to a known complexity class tho.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : can't prove the hardness of magicking ~your particular~ graph. )
asciilifeform: can't seem to find ~this~, either
mircea_popescu: i derrided it for being impractical but i can't fucking find the discussion
mircea_popescu: (note that the decomposition needn't be Vs but will likely be a homomorphism, which POSSIBLY tyakes us straight to the hardest code known to man, the see-or-pick homomorphisms)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is an "idea" item not a technological object, so bear with me. a "ring signature" is a set of signatures with a) arbitrary cardinality n which has the property that b) while it can be verified the correct signature was offered it c) can't be established wich signature that is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be capped at 2, either, unless you use casks and want to leave room for dozen+ hop stages
mircea_popescu: "all txn are 2 in 2 out" fixed width txn seems nailed down at this point. i can't see how an argument would work that'd offset the evident gains.
asciilifeform: what is the complexity of actually fetching the Nth tx , if you can also make use of the T(...)xorT(...)xorT(...) in every block.
asciilifeform: in above example, the 'arity' of the xor is 3. and mircea_popescu will probably answer, when he comes back , that evil miner will waltz the nonce until the 3 necessary tx are the ones that fit in his pocket. but arity doesn't have to be 3.
asciilifeform: T( nonce mod Tmax ) xor T ( H(nonce) mod Tmax ) xor T ( H(H(nonce)) mod Tmax ).
asciilifeform: T(N) is an O(1) fetch, as spoken of earlier.
asciilifeform: ooook try this on for size : suppose fixed-width TX (as discussed earlier.) T(N) is the Nth tx, T(0) is the first tx in genesis block, etc. Tmax is the last tx in the currentheightblock. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: either you cheat or you don't.
mircea_popescu: you can't turn out your wife without being married to a whore, alfie.
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu find a new chocolate icecream shop! he oughta go there, eat some, come back with theorem.
asciilifeform: this is an open problem, because 'miners don't need the blocks' is also imho intolerable.
asciilifeform: i posted one just the other day (granted it wasn't 'any redditard', but wotronic)
asciilifeform: an inevitable visaification, The Guild of The Three Nodes, etc, at t-->inf, is a downer.
pete_dushenski: speaking of wences, he was still pretending to be a person as recently as july 2015 (http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/21/wences-whacked-xapo-zapped/) though can't say i've heard a meaningful peep from him or about him since aside from 'swiss kyc blahblah' nothing-on-a-stick.
omraphantom: but at the same time i'm not saying i won't be doing my course credits
pete_dushenski: omraphantom: aha just getting rolling then. eh no rush to start eng school. a chunk of the guys here started but didn't even finish
omraphantom: when i can't think straight to gewt the seasons right >.<
mircea_popescu: i don't have an email!
mircea_popescu: he's pretty cool isn't he.
shinohai: Previous ceo wasn't bringing in enough shillbux.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620408 << lel, wasn't he the d00d with the 'btc bank card' ☝︎
shinohai: Not bad here, haven't lost 10 bitcents in Eulora today so ..... and you?