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asciilifeform: ^ i'ma all for the remora ddt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bans are currently free, i don't maintain the list.
mircea_popescu: not that i'm even for a second proposing this is impossible. #eulora famously had one moron who "played" the game for months, merely creating accounts, never actually went in.
mircea_popescu: this situation where "i idle in 560895409860 channels and have last read anything 176 weeks ago" gotta fucking cease.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851024 << 'nonstandard' captchas actually work quite well. ( i have one in the pipeline for my www, which used an ancient heathen service thing that meanwhile died ). there was a famous ru www that had... schoolboy-level integral problems, as 'captcha'. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so i kinda tend to sit at term when ima read logs. maybe this is just my own workflow bias speaking.
mircea_popescu: i personally fucking loathe it, because often i want to answer, and then if i can't i have to savew it, which works poorly.
asciilifeform: aha, was addressing the 'what's the point of reconnectortrons, i want to talk to live people'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did it ever do what he describes ? i dun think i ever saw it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851013 << but this, not so much. currently i have a znc poured into cement, and loathe to change anyffing at all about it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:38 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850999 << i like this idea, ☝︎
mircea_popescu: noob support needs to be as simple and requiring of as little initiative as possible. and once that's made like that, why am i forcing you to keep an entirely separate model for #trilema ? when the same thing would actually work better in point of fact ?
mircea_popescu: i guess "this cat not worth the skinning", in general, maybe. sure, not like the current model is that broken. but if you're going to support things like #pizarro, deedbot pming new names is way the fuck better than pizarro website or sales funnel including a "and then send !!up to deebot" etc.
mircea_popescu: erry time i come in i send !!up to deedbot, i sent thousands to date, why ? it knows what i'm gonna say to it the momen ti show up, doesn't it ? who does anything @ deedbot BUT "!!up" when they come in ?
mircea_popescu: what's exactly the benefit of having whichever-unvoiced-name idling ? that what, "they can confirm the logs" ? wut the fuck is ever going to ask the voiceless anything, i need anonvouching like i need featherhairs.
trinque: can, but I guarantee there are cases where someone's client will reconnect 5 times without them home
trinque: mircea_popescu: eh? I'm not following you. implementing what you described would get someone banned if their IRC client is automatically reconnecting during netsplits and etc
mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model. ☟︎☟︎
PeterL: at least now I can join #pizarro, but still can't talk there
trinque: I could move it ahead of hotwallet; oughta get linux repo work done first while the dwarf-fortress-isms of portage are still fresh in my head
trinque: whole notion behind the invoicing system was that I'll offer these kinds of subscription services
trinque: that sort of hired-deedbot service is already on my long conveyor, out past hotwallet, out past repossession of linux. I'd not be offended if somebody else did this, but my version will be coming regardless
mod6: Alright, we'll try that. Also gave info to ops on how to do things so I'm not the one channel master.
mod6: i guess we could leave it +m
mod6: i mean, for a channel to be a useful place to do things, one must be able to read it and its logs.
mod6: i totally agree. kinda between charybdis and scylla on this tho 'eh
mod6: And ya, would love to have #pizarro open and welcoming to everyone. I turned off the restrictions this AM and within 3 minutes, guy came in and shit in the foyer.
PeterL: mod6: I was looking at the 0.001 /mo one, would that work for a blog?
asciilifeform: trinque: i cited that one in my ancient http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 piece , aha
mircea_popescu: aaand i shall bbl!
mircea_popescu: i never perceived him as anything other than or besides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030 character. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: except "what i want" is "unleash the creativity in every droplet of mankind" sorta bunk.
trinque: I think they'd have rolled him right over by now, no pretense of higher ground left
asciilifeform: trinque: my model of s.jobs is as an old-style 'vhs usa' howard hughes sorta figure. 'fuckoff, i'ma sit in my box with filtered air, and do what i want'
trinque: in the same pretense as torvalds, "I tell people no; this is it, right?"
mircea_popescu: that he croaked is lofty irony, in that sense, but i can't imagine what coming out it'd have taken. how was he in ?
mircea_popescu: trinque i dunno, he was into that whole "live forever in a turtleneck and short hair" pantsuit churchlet.
mircea_popescu: consequently all sorts of things are the same to me, or not worth the distinguishing, that i believe aren't to the more involved observer.
asciilifeform: i'ma subscriber to 'by their fruits shall know them'(tm) algo
mircea_popescu: i happily ignored "tech" in that decade, or most of it anyway.
asciilifeform: i'll confess, did not actively follow his human output. all i saw was the kernel-dbus folx etc banging unsuccessfully at the kernel door for ~decade
mircea_popescu: i r suspect alf is the more disappointed among us. not that i hold that against him.
trinque: asciilifeform: torvalds might not have been so cranky if he wasn't stuck in LOOK AT ME, I'M A MAN NOW mode for 20yrs
mircea_popescu: i don't see the contagion angle. sexual fetishes are a matter of fashion, to some degree, but not properly speaking epidemic.
mircea_popescu: i suppose "express", as in "genotype expresses in fenotype". though honestly, the more direct sexual reference is deeply adequate. this is a sexual matter, not genetic nor immunological nor etc.
diana_coman: ave1, I adapted my udp test from http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/#selection-159.0-159.2325 to use your suckits and it works!
mod6: After looking at the post that I just made a bit more carefully, I'm gonna have to repost. The HTMLifier hosed up the spacing and columns.
mod6: I ended up having to go through the assets and liabilities tables like 2x.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i understand it, there's a set of folx with souls, and another, larger, set of meatpuppets with soul-emulator in ms 'excel'. and no, can't bridge gap, how would this even go.
mircea_popescu: in another decade or two, it'll be strictly impossible for the various pantsuit churchlets to do ~anything. they're rapidly losing all technical ability, and so... i mean i already can take my pick of bdsm-ish chicks in "north america -- the best country in the world". in another coupla decades, boy howdy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect it'll be a whole openssl/libressl bla bla fizzle and pop there too.
asciilifeform: i suspect the time to snapshot and pour cement, trb style, approaches.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 12:41 diana_coman: I can just about see next version of linux-with-feelings
mircea_popescu: nfi where i picked up the idea, but not borne by facts.
mircea_popescu: aha! turns out i misspoke.
mircea_popescu: now i gotta read the memcpy reference, isn't it basically a wrapper on malloc ?
asciilifeform: you ~could~ call malloc() and free() a 'gc apparatus' (a braindamaged one, imho) but i specifically exclude it in my proggies, by banning heap
mircea_popescu: ave1 Aggregates << for the record, i think this whole thing is stupid, in the camel-nose-under-tent sense. array-aggregate-operation should not draw in the gc apparatus (in its memcpy portions, whatever).
asciilifeform: ( ~all i got is make_socket, get_packet, send_packet , that's it. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'defined' is the item that differs in asciilifeform's, in fact. i dispensed with ~90% of the knobs simply by going 'sockets are udp, that's it'. no tcpism, i.e. no accept() and the associated streamolade, no unix sockets with their weird, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 10:09 ave1: now for the well-defined part, this I will have to work on...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850725 << don't worry, i'm STILL working on it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma disagree that '~same' , but this will only be possible to explain once mine's posted. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway -- fuck 'em, i deeply fucking care some nobody-on-a-stick meanwhile joined the churchgoing group. whatever. but in matters of actual interest : you "were working" on an ada networking socking thing ; ave "was working" on ~same. had diana_coman not said "here's what ~~~I AM ABOUT TO DO~~~", we would have never known. if the wastefulness of this approach isn't directly obvious...
asciilifeform: i suspect that the designated replacement-torvalds, in all of its 'black chix coad' glory, is already being groomed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, it's just... i'm fucking scandalised. junior high "taking over the world" what the fuck is wrong with all these idiots. what, "let's all manalone while the children reconstruct the world in their image", what the fuck already.
asciilifeform: i half-suspect that it was written 'for' him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree that ave1 duplicated the effort -- his item is foundation for a fyootoor raw-irons gnat, imho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: torvalds danced in the noose longer than most, is all i can add
asciilifeform: ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850727 << neat idea, and in keeping with the libc-removal . for some reason feels 'heavy', tho, but i am resisting the temptation to try an' figure out why atm, i am in the process of wrapping up my own ( conventional ) sockets thing for release today ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform boys that "magically"/"inexplicably"/etc "do not seem to be able to find" #trilema generally (and "who could have predicted!!!"-predictably) come out with some kind of "since the world is entirely composed of the stupid cunts crowding over at the stupid cunt hut, it then follows i must wear pantyhose and lipstic now"
asciilifeform: sad, but i expected sooner rather than later. showed symptoms.
mircea_popescu: say "i will x" rather than "for the past n weeks i had been x" whenever at all feasible. for one thing, it'll get you more people, cuz ima redirect those trying to same x. for another thing, it'll give you something to look at, of your own. "here's what i said i was gonna do." yay or nay, it's absolutely better to have than to not have.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean "it is against group interest". i mean it from a very personal perspective, not using this is like not using fridges, or CAT scanners. YOU miss out. your own life is shittier than it need had been, on your deathbed you'll look at less of a life than it might've been. there's just no point to run the race eyes closed, none whatever.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850719 << she has a point you know ; i don't just mean ave1 though it's a fine example here. you folks have an excellent semaphore system, which works well and has been historically proven to work well (not to mention have all the interest in "feelings" of a guillotine). it is very stupid NOT to use it, to eschew use it, to miss out on using it. ☝︎
diana_coman: ah, I did not mean torvalds!!! I meant ave1's code
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i am not reading on. i'm done with torvalds.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, read on, he published it meanwhile and I am looking at it right now
mircea_popescu: !!rate torvalds -10 "The above is basically a long-winded way to get to the somewhat painful personal admission that hey, I need to change some of my behavior"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 08:00 ave1: I'm aiming at a small library with support for UDP, TCP and UNIX sockets with direct calls to 64bit x86 and 64bit arm plus C. So far UDP + asm 64bit x86 is done.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 09:45 diana_coman: lobbes, esthlos, hanbot, ave1 - do you have something against using categories on your blogs? I find well-defined categories to be really helpful in finding stuff but on your blogs everything is in the "Uncategorized" category
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850723 << ty for the feedback. I added the "Categories widget" to the sidebar so should make it easier to browse (http://blog.lobbesblog.com) ☝︎
diana_coman: now I need to read at least https://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugn-docs/html/gnat_ugn/gnat_ugn/inline_assembler.html
diana_coman: I can just about see next version of linux-with-feelings ☟︎
ave1: Every time I go deep into these things all kinds of weirdness surfaces.
ave1: note that all asm code was first in suckit-ip.* but I moved it to the syscall, the suckit-ip stuff will move to linux
diana_coman: ave1, if I get the structure right there, you have an empty root package Suckit and then children packages net and types; there seems to be also Suckit.Syscall that I see listed as dep in suckit.types but I can't find the source for?
diana_coman: I'll read and get back to you
diana_coman: thank you ave1 ! I'll take it
ave1: now for the well-defined part, this I will have to work on... ☟︎
diana_coman: lobbes, esthlos, hanbot, ave1 - do you have something against using categories on your blogs? I find well-defined categories to be really helpful in finding stuff but on your blogs everything is in the "Uncategorized" category ☟︎
diana_coman: ave1> I'm aiming at a small library with support for UDP, TCP and UNIX sockets with direct calls to 64bit x86 and 64bit arm plus C. So far UDP + asm 64bit x86 is done. -> mind publishing somewhere this part then?
ave1: Yes, I though that bsd sockets where some sort of standard, but it seems it has warths all over.
ave1: well, I started this about 4 weeks or so
ave1: Also no UNIX sockets yet, I was reading the documentation and came accross how linux now supports "abstract" unix sockets which have no equivalent on the file system. Pretty big WTF all over, it's implemented by having a string start with a 0 (zero) byte.
ave1: I'm aiming at a small library with support for UDP, TCP and UNIX sockets with direct calls to 64bit x86 and 64bit arm plus C. So far UDP + asm 64bit x86 is done. ☟︎
ave1: I'm also working on a thin networking layer for Ada (using direct system calls in inline assembler). I got stuck on some inline assembly details and once that was resolved I got stuck on the whole select/epoll/kevent support and so forth. So at this point, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-16#1850668 applies. ☝︎
mod6: Thank you, Sir. I appreciate the invoice.
mod6: 0.04570496 BTC good asciilifeform ? (I'm using the price point for sept for the calc)