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asciilifeform: phf: eons have passed since i last could be arsed to read clim. what happened ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 16:31 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: also, I'm not taking thousands in donations. jackdaniel is being paid several k to work on CLIM
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519442 << don't you now wish that wasn't the case, lol, the guy is like an ultra-wrecker, shitting all over that codebase ☝︎
danielpbarron: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra/bitbet-owner-addresses-solvency-concerns.asc.txt
phf: come to think of me my laptop runs without swap, because i mucked with write permissions on mac os x's swap file, but it's not ever a problem at 16gb
asciilifeform: shinohai: even trb will run for no more than 2-3 weeks on 2G.
asciilifeform: i can see using swap on a 486 with 8M, where it makes the diff between being able to load emacs and not.
mircea_popescu: that they stopped saying it doesn't mean anything changed ; they just thought everyone got the idea.
mircea_popescu: i thought it said so in the linux manual cca 1996, "linux can not be run without swap. don't even try."
phf: 512mb ought to be enough for anyone!
mircea_popescu: do we put this down to "lamp sucks" or to "operator egregious eggog" ?
phf: 160822 9:30:08 InnoDB: Fatal error: cannot allocate memory for the buffer pool
phf: it exhausts the 512mb and quietly dies
mircea_popescu: look through it, it has swap existing hardwire throughout.
asciilifeform: fwiw i have yet to see postgres crash. but there is always a time for a first.
phf: oh i think maybe it's a memory issue :D i'm running it on a $5 512mb instance
asciilifeform: (the pill against 'omfg, this has never before crashed', sad as it is, is generally to rewind version again and again...)
mircea_popescu: my angry forays into apache/mysql are in the logs. that shit sucks.
mircea_popescu: phf i dun think that ever happened to trilema.
mircea_popescu: not that there aren't a precious few competent folk out there. but they suffer a heavy demographic burden in the form of idiot us sucking them in to "build companies" and go to conferences and waste their lives for belonging&jam-tomorrow ; and the rest are fucking busy raping nsa and such.
phf: speaking of wordpress, mysql keeps consistently crashing. i don't think i've had a unix daemon crash on me in the recent memory, this is a first
asciilifeform: now that mircea_popescu mentioned it, i recall an 'elaborate bots' thread.
mircea_popescu: it's not even deliberate, just byproduct of how the process works. they'd cut it out if they knew how.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cannot be ruled out. though the level of decorative dressing is quite ludicrous, in that case.
mircea_popescu: nah, the reason for that is because they find you from google, or equiv, which is an approximation of "what a human would think interesting"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no , no, the ones that appear manually cranked are just the same 3-4 bots "sold" on "underground forums", but with exceptionally inept operators. such as ahmed.
asciilifeform: (e.g., lengthy browsing of what i consider 'interesting' pages on the site previously)
mircea_popescu: a small fraction will do the more nefarious bit of hosting pharma / child porn / whatever pages to link from OTHER wordpress / email blasts.
asciilifeform: thinking here of the folks who show symptoms of 'manually cranked' probemeister, vs the usual bots.
mircea_popescu: you'll laugh, but the point is not so much untinkable as not valuable. ~all of them, if actually given access, will happily post links "for google to see" and that's all.
asciilifeform: (somehow a box without wordpress is unthinkable to these folk.)
asciilifeform: incl. probes against the (never existing) wordpress on that box.
asciilifeform: countless variations on 'this fella MUST be php monkey, let's try all known monkeypoison'
asciilifeform: phf: at one point i got 1,001 of these daily
mircea_popescu: ah, that's just normal scriptkiddery.
asciilifeform: (phuctor suffers from similar problem, python does not really have working threading either)
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, it's the worker exhaustion, but since it's my favorite threadless cmucl, situations under which "no available worker" are numerous and fantastical
mircea_popescu: $up Twix
mircea_popescu: phf they prolly put you behind cloudflare/homebrewed equivalent as a service or somesuch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought it was called 'rubbish island'
asciilifeform: (what does phf's wwwtronics stack do when there is no available worker? or how does it work)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the only thing i can think re "digitalocean" is that place in the pacific where there's a trillion little bits of plastic, ground down by wind and sun over the decades.
phf: dat latency, digitalocean has been running on a generator and a modem past few days i think
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526708 << i had nothing to do with this, for all i know it's lizard hitler's a111 ☝︎
phf: diana_coman: i think i didn't say enough on the subject. the core of what i did in order to get it to build on mac os x is fix autoconf scripts, if i revisit mac os x build in a couple of weeks, i'll try and provide a portable patch
mircea_popescu: this is the log. there are many like it, but this one is good. it is your best friend. it is your life. you must read it like you read your wife.
asciilifeform: and it took a german to arrive at something like an actual solution (sync gear for the gun bolt)
mircea_popescu: i don't necessarily dispute that he THOUGHT about it for many years. but there's a profound difference between these two things. psychological first of all.
asciilifeform: and the solution was somehow seen as 'make armoured propeller'
asciilifeform: bitcoin as it is reminds me, more than anything, of the french aerial machine gun during ww1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has a point, if shitoshi had ~modelled~ anything, he may well have junked the whole thing and - not necessarily published anything at all.
mircea_popescu: you srsly think this was modelled worth a crap in 2009 ?
asciilifeform: encouraging movement of coin 'for the sake of movement' leads to ~moar~ bloat, via 'utxo' frag effect, rather than less...
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, is an antipattern of software irl that's very fucking often visible. tech wants to do a "Stupid" thing for a stupid reason ; management lets them for an entirely different reason)
mircea_popescu: best i can discern two things : 1) derp wanted to discourage old coinbases accumulating (had intuition about the blockchain bloat didn't want to address or know how to) ; 2) fees would have been HUGE early on without this, as in, "fuck you, you wanna transact it's 50 cents. i dun care your 1k btc is enough for a pizza slice ie 2 bux"
asciilifeform: it is really part of the major gap in the design, where ~nodes~ pay eternally for disk footprint, but ~miner~ gets the fee
asciilifeform: (incidentally, it was never wholly clear to me why 0fee tx was ever a thing.)
mircea_popescu: accept that or don't, i dun particularly care nor does in fact have any effects. but history is history, rather than fantasy.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, the reason we don't have an obnoxiously impudent mining cartel today is almost entirely due to that root, and its fruit.
jurov: i am now matching mircea's answers against regexp? that was really clever retort.
mircea_popescu: yes, the proposition that "sane answer" === "i made a mistake" necessarily implies that as a precursor.
asciilifeform: i dun think anyone was imagining mircea_popescu creating tx on grid paper, with pencil, no.
mircea_popescu: i'd guess a and esp b should be obvious. if they aren't obvious, the problem is almost certainly not what's stated.
mircea_popescu: hat i'd do such a thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) yes i do "manual payments" ; this however does not mean i create the txn by hand. i'd think this'd be obvious ; b) any and all, this and all sorts of other resources are used to establish things about the network. i am, for the record, THE FIRST, and also for years THE ONLY both systematically sending txnfees "not needed" and pushing for others to do so. it is utterly not because i'm trying to shave pennies t
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is "sane answer" to be established via regexp with given string is what i want to know.
asciilifeform: jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#921826 << thread. ☝︎
jurov: he did not insist chinese sank titanic
asciilifeform: jurov: do you recall the lightoller paper ?
jurov: dunno if my mother has anything with that
jurov: sorry, the doubt is crippling
jurov: yes i did have handicap. because i did not ever get SANE answer "why our supposed betters ever contemplated sending zerofee tx"
asciilifeform: i'd rather like to know what it is that is actually bothering jurov. (could hazard a guess, but would rather not)
mircea_popescu: do that and let them starve, it'll count as a job well done.
mircea_popescu: woman's ONLY task is to protect her male offspring from this.
mircea_popescu: whenever it is a reality i blame the mother.
mircea_popescu: jurov is smart kid, gotta have some ankle weights of stupid and loud noises in inner ear lest he doesn't fit in with the idiots he originally originated with anymore. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the whole nonsense unpleasantly reminds me of that sf story about a socialist future where people got "handicaps" to match their intelligence, lest they're smarter than their stupid parents / the runts in the litter.
asciilifeform: jurov: am i mistaken that classical turdatron was an l1 device ?
mircea_popescu: no, not really, but "creating the controversy" might "help".
mircea_popescu: a) you see who deedbot trusts. that is called the l1. b) you see who l1 trusts. that is called the l2.
asciilifeform: jurov: related - i shit thee not - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3agpo4 .
mircea_popescu: i dun care for the content, tbh. form will carry this matter all the way it needs to go.
asciilifeform: just the other day.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 13:23 znort987: trinque: thx, what I was looking for.
mircea_popescu: no dude, znort hasn't been following along is perfectly able to resolve this problem ; jurov has been around since forever "doesn't know" how to ask. here, follow the noob, mayhap you learn something : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-21#1526230 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the irresistible lure of teh derpage ffs.
mircea_popescu: the consensus in my head also is that if you keep with this whiny anal child subversive bullshit i'll bitchslap you so far up your mother's ass friends and family won't be able to reassemble the pieces.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 13:52 jurov: interesting, so the consesnus is apparently wot does not mean anything anymore and i should curate gpg keys manually?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526691 << the "consensus" is that if you're unwilling to follow the proper wot and wish to import random strange from whenever, you're stuck handcurating gpg keys manually. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 13:48 asciilifeform: then again, he argued - imho very successfully - against a canonical ~tree~, not against www which shows all known vpatches in tree form
asciilifeform: well the latter. and this would include 'either EVERY supported box has it LIKE-SO, or you bundle it with the proggy. no exceptions.'
mircea_popescu: possibly. or alternately because nobody ever said "do it like this or i will fuck your children with many tiny bottle openers. in the eyes."
asciilifeform: i.e. tries to paper over the 10,001 under- and un- specified 'systemwide-installed' deps.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is because it is a broken-fauced-water-raft.
mircea_popescu: so it attracts a certain sort of stupid, not just in the sense of "a certain sort of stupid people", but actually a certain sort of stupid OUT OF people, even normally intelligent ones.
mircea_popescu: much like the bloviating bovines / paul biggars of the world perceive bitcoin to be "a safe space for their creativity" or somesuch, similarly build process.
mircea_popescu: but i think a large-ish part of hte problem is that build process per se is not actually specified.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 11:43 jurov: noone can't ever use vanilla autotools and ftjam as documented. it's absolute necessity to prove own intelligence and DRY-adherence by creatively rigging the build system.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526670 << yeah, it works but seems pretty dangerous for the future. ☝︎