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mircea_popescu: phf he doesn't even specifically want
to become a scourge. he wants
to "they should be punished" ; and "to become a dictator". essentially, like any good liberal/socialist, he JUST WANTS
THE STATE
TO.
phf: i
think
that's
the funny bit about roger whatshisname, he gets alienated from society and decides
to become a scourge, but him and his definition of malice are so dull, it's like a parody of a gothic character
phf: as a gothic stance, "if society rejects me, i will now serve
the utmost evil!"
phf: mircea_popescu: did werther
turn
to evil?
mircea_popescu: go
to alabama, find more 35 yo grandmothers
than you can count.
thestringpuller: oh man i've been lied
to my whole life! I still have my abstinence pledge
too!
mircea_popescu: teen pregnancies were
traditionally a white
thing.
this never ever changed ; except for
the weirdo new york elliots (they prefer
to call
themselves liberals) who
thought it did because
they stopped looking briefly.
mircea_popescu: but
the LYRICS
they put out are unrelated in any case. you know literature generally lies, yes ?
thestringpuller: oh i kno. unfortunately for america, it's "pop culture" like
the sitcom now.
teen pregnancies ain't just for black folk no mo'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 03:53 phf: he's like an incredibly dull, millenial
take on a gothic hero, a modern day maldoror
thestringpuller: Which is 90% of niggas who impregnate a gold digger no matter how much money
they eventually make.
thestringpuller: First: "Eighteen years, eighteen years / She got one of your kids, got you for eighteen years / I know somebody paying child support for one of his kids / His baby mama car and crib is bigger
than his"
mircea_popescu: including because
thousands of little queen's own cunts, aged six
to sixteen, openly preferred
to be manhandled by pakis rather
than commune with english mainstream society.
mircea_popescu: this, in
the uk, by all accounts a worse shithole
than
the us.
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, refer
to recent republican record : rando whore divorcing businessman recently got less
than 1% of his net worth, and
then
the judge ridiculed her and cut her loot by 2/3 on apeal.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a "great point" in
the sense of it being repeated a lot online.
talk
to a divorce lawyer sometime,
this "absolute right
to divorce" does not work
that way in practice.
mircea_popescu: the subjective experience of loss and inadequacy is a huge underground ocean comprising most of
the human bejaviour known as art.
mircea_popescu: trinque ironically, for a long
time in [the very repressive, and otherwise bizarre] austro-hungarian society, little girls
thought
they were castrated. literally,
that ancient
trick of "i stole your nose"
that amuses 3yos ;
they
thought someone
took
their penis, which is why
they don't look like boys.
trinque: exactly
the perspective of
this elliot guy
trinque: thestringpuller:
that shit about "males *have been* emasculated" is nonsense
thestringpuller: "I see
the devolution of Western culture upon us because
the males have been emasculated with a combination of societal enforcement of child support payments along with
the absolute right of
the female
to divorce
taking all
the financial support while remaining promiscuous." << actually i have no idea what gender
this person is, but makes great points.
shinohai: ok gimmie a bit
to sign in, i never bothered
to register it :/
mircea_popescu: shinohai gotta register it ; -ChanServ-
TRS80` is not registered.
shinohai: why do you even read
that drivel ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "The beta-males also wish
to be alpha, but for whatever reason
they are realistically incapable of it, so
they must accept
the role of
trying
to impregnate a female when she is fertile by keeping her away from an alpha-male." interesting perspective.
☟︎ shinohai: iit already has
this mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: shinohai hook it into some api (preferably not bc.info)
to do ;;tslb ;;bc,stats etc, it can replace gribble here.
phf: particular
transport. never
the less when
the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager
to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort
to drone you out long enough
to actually attempt
the implementation, and since in my experience attempting
the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i
think you repeating
the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr.
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: going back
to gossip conversation, my issue is
that
the gossip you
talk about exists exclusively in your head, where's mp got a spec.
there are aspects of gossip functionality
that can be explored with current spec despite
the underlying
tcp
transport. and like i said broken
transport doesn't invalidate
the application functionality. it will leak in practice
through
tcp shenanigans, but
that's
the nature of
this
phf: asciilifeform: we're in agreement on
that one
phf: there needs
to be a feature in logs where you only render a subset of nicks
☟︎ phf: different kind of foundations, mcclim clx backend. he was saying lets replace it wholesale with a framebuffer renderer. i was arguing
that it's better
to cleanup clx first
that'll make framebuffer renderer easier. i misunderstood your position
then. i
thought you were agreeing, but i suppose your position was
that
there's no point in replacing x with lesser alternative at all
phf: well,
then you were arguing opposite point in
the mcclim conversation
phf: it's like you're now on
the other side in
the gabriel_laddel mcclim debate
phf: as a final product -- not, but as a
teaching
tool?
phf: so
then it's not even about gossip, it's about "lets have a replacement for
tcp"
phf: which layer are we
talking here?
phf: but
that's a very minor detail of
the spec!
phf: well, since
that's never been published we can't even have meaningful conversations about it :p
phf: current spec doesn't do
that
phf: yeah it's a shitty
transport,
that doesn't contradict anything i said
though
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 12:50 phf: it can be construed as
trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said
that
there's no
trust. of course
that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own
phf: come
to
think of it sybil is not
the right word in
this case, on application level
there's no psuedonymity and you only
talk
to people in wot. on
transport level an attacker can construct a valid looking (struct layout wise) pgp packet, which in my naive spec implementation is handed over
to gnupg. now you have a bunch of potential attack vectors here, but assuming
there's no memory attacks in gnupg, race conditions in gpgme,
phf: i don't
think
there's a solution
to drowned in sibyl's in general.
there's a cost
to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd,
there's no "validate
the ip, and
then
trust it" which is what i mean by "no
trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
☟︎ Framedragger: ..however, it is possible
to get drowned in sibyl nodes. but, i get your point.
phf: if i
tell you "go
to such and such place and
then once you're
there do another validation" you don't have
to
trust
that "such and such place" is valid purely by being
there
phf: that's a pretty useless interpretation of
trust
Framedragger: ..iirc one of
the original ideas was
to "pass around ip addresses" as
things bound
to some nick/identity;
there is a
trust component here; but i'm sure it's evolved since
then, etc etc.
phf: it can be construed as
trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said
that
there's no
trust. of course
that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own
☟︎ Framedragger: i won't argue
the point, sorry for any frustration caused.
the
thing i have in mind is probably not
the "current spec" anyway!
phf: the argument is
that
technology needs
to be entirely routing agnostic, where's now you
think in
terms of (afair) mappings between keys and addresses
phf: asciilifeform's objections was
that gossipd relies on ip addresses at all
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:10 phf: adlai: i
think gossip spec is fine, just nobody
took it
to release. asciilifeform has significant changes
to
the spec, but if you ignore
those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i
think it's better
to ignore further discussion and just stick
to what mp wrote. i also
think it's one of
those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529496 << just curious - does
the gossip spec as it is place any
trust in ip addresses?
this iirc was one of
the points criticized by asciilifeform, i would
think it
to be a valid one. sorry if
this,
too, was extensively discussed in
the logs.
☝︎ jurov: ^ since
there's no gribble in #eulora
jurov: ;;later
tell PeterL run configure as: CFLAGS=-fexceptions CXXFLAGS=-fexceptions ./configure
PeterL: what do you consider
the age cutoff for millenials? Or is it a frame of mind rather
than a specific age range?
PeterL: too busy staring at
their phones
to
touch each other, no
touching means no sex
BingoBoingo: phf:
The pollsters say millenials are actually not fucking very much.
Too much world of snapchat.
phf: he's like an incredibly dull, millenial
take on a gothic hero, a modern day maldoror
☟︎ mircea_popescu: hey, some airports were designed by
the mentally retarded
BingoBoingo: "I left around
the beginning of August.
This was my first
time
traveling alone, and I didn’t know what
to expect. Father signed me up
to have supervised
travel assistance
to help me along
the way, otherwise I would get lost in
the airport." << LOL Airport Special ED!
phf: i
think it might be failing
to pick up eulora specific assets
BingoBoingo: That's a pretty good looking horror game
there
phf: it sort of works,
http://glyf.org/tmp/eulora-2.png doesn't load any
textures
though. i'm going
to push
the update
to
the scripts, but i won't be able
to look at it proper for another couple of weeks
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if mircea_popescu had written
that rodgier ought
to have ~been buggered~, or enslaved by arabs, or similar, i would have no dispute. but it is just as fantastic
to posit schmuck going into pederasty willingly, as
to picture him growing
taller by effort of will << He probably would enthusiastically have embraced getting buggered if he was a level 70 chocolate elfhole while recieving buggery