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mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:326/to:326#326 < check out the � lol
asciilifeform: not in the l0gz...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think i even mentioned it here, this b00k
Framedragger: very possibly that's the reason, no disagreement here. it fucking does the job, and has no shitty m0dern gimmicks.
BingoBoingo: Well, toolbox was retired because it was the final word on WP themes and they needed makework? What more is there to say on the subject?
Framedragger: https://github.com/Automattic/_s/ - allegedly it's da modern super minimalist theme with minimal css that one is supposed to hack on. toolbox (marked as 'retired', which doesn't really mean that) on themes.wordpress.org links to _s
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: ah! thanks for the suggestion. btw did you have any particular grievances with the supposed heir of Toolbox, _s?
BingoBoingo: ^ In bullish for Trump lulz
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/us-third-party-candidates-ad-buy-spotted-in-the-wild/ << Qntra - US Third Party Candidate's Ad Buy Spotted In The Wild
g_l: thestringpuller: thank you though. Much appreciated.
g_l: thestringpuller: being "homeless" in palo alto / atherton / sf / los altos / san jose is not the same thing as in the rest of the country. Am OK, just awful internet and other nonsense.
thestringpuller: no use in roaming the streets
thestringpuller: g_l: Oh yea. If you are in southeast region I can prob fix the homeless problem temporarily.
g_l: They did it all on their own btw. I thought crowdfunding was a terrible idea.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: fwiw, i've never been anything other than wage cattle << Then yeah. You've been the wrong kind.
asciilifeform: and what's to stop g_l from opening own
asciilifeform: so why is that campaign run by some bozo, and not g_l ?
g_l: For the record: I totally underestimated the amount of support there was out there for a 100% CL GUI.
asciilifeform: g_l: who is funding the thing ?
g_l off to work..
BingoBoingo: Doctor heal thyself motherfucker!
asciilifeform: '- You're a great one for the fighting Bill, I know, but you can't fight forever. - I can go down doing it. - And you will. - What did you say? - I said, you're turning you back on the future. - Not our future.'
thestringpuller: ^- and there it is
BingoBoingo: Oh, hamplanets thinks it can medicine!
BingoBoingo: <mod6> but hard to take such a person srsly. << Because not a person but a hog.
asciilifeform: 'Bill, deliver these good and fervant folk to the polls. And there will be a handsome price for each vote that goes Tammany's way.' -- http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york/#selection-75.2-75.131
g_l: my bitching already took them (people working on CLIM, nyef, jackdaniel, gas2serra, etc) from "clim on the web, on the playstation, ncurses, gtk!" to "alrighty, let's finish CLX first", and they just need a little bit more of a push. Beach in particular, as he controls the funds
asciilifeform: but when g_l writes in that 'let's all bus in voters to the polls in shitsackistan' - i must confess, my ears sadly fall down.
g_l: for the rest of you lispers who have used and like CLIM,
asciilifeform: then - i will certainly try it, and say 'thank you'
asciilifeform: well, let's say g_l (who i give benefit of doubt, he seems to have a head on his shoulders etc) writes one.
g_l: I don't know how you expect to get there without going through a complete CLX backend first.
g_l: If you're not interested in CLIM, don't bother. I'm not here to convince you of its utility.
asciilifeform: g_l: understand that your effort here is having quite the opposite of the intended effect.
g_l: well, I got a (major) donor to pester him and suddenly all the talk of "backends" disappeared.
asciilifeform: and any of the people here would want to get involved with this crock of shit WHY..?
asciilifeform: g_l: why would randos 'pestering' move the thing in any direction ?
g_l: If anyone wants to do something easy and useful: drop into #clim and or #lisp and pester beach (robert strandh) to add bounties for implementing the remaining 38 CLIM forms and solving the last showstopping error.
asciilifeform: ultimately all of the animals on a farm exist for same reason.
asciilifeform: now, perhaps wage bull, rather than chicken, but still livestock.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw, i've never been anything other than wage cattle
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wage worker, whether idiot or grandmaster, is still stuck 'only following orders.' << /me suspects alf is far removed from actual reality of wage cattle herding on the ground.
asciilifeform: and, just as 6 mo. ago, i say that there is not.
asciilifeform: i was discussing whether there is any idea worth stealing in monero.
asciilifeform: davout: the crud is incidental to the shitcoin
asciilifeform: and only for so long as the smoke hangs in the air (when there is in fact a set of keys-that-could-have-signed)
davout: the problem i have with monero is the bloat and uncapped block size, not really the crypto itself
asciilifeform: quite analogous, in fact. obstructs friendly ('this tx is mine, i paid you, damnit') as well as enemy visibility.
asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> depends on if he's a nuclear physicist pretending to be a plumber or vice versa. << More plumbers lay hand on reactor parts than physicists
BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> OT: i don't suspect anyone's got any suggestions for a wordpress theme to use (minimalist, gonna be ~3 pages in total, no comment box) for showcasing a newly published (non-electronic) book? << Toolbox. Just delete the comment boxes and other shit. Small theme so easy to fidn everything you want/need to delete.
davout: i remember already reading this monero thread actually
BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> OT: i don't suspect anyone's got any suggestions for a wordpress theme to use (minimalist, gonna be ~3 pages in total, no comment box) for showcasing a newly published (non-electronic) book? << Toolbox!
asciilifeform: and, when possible, on the baccilae on the fleas. etc.
asciilifeform: AND, when practical, on the fleas on the horses.
asciilifeform: evil is repelled by determined hands, of actual people, pouring boiling oil every single motherfucking time on rogervers, gavins, AND the horses they ride in on.
asciilifeform: the funniest thing is that it is not!
Framedragger: bitcoin is used by bitcoin jesus, too
Framedragger: asciilifeform: trb and mpex don't make themselves easy to be used by everyone. which YES is a great thing. but it's not because an angelic light shines upon them, repelling all evil.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 17:08 asciilifeform: sooooo, who recalls the 'ring signatures' thing? (e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 )
asciilifeform: linked thread, at the head of this one.
davout: yeah sure, but that's kind of different from saying 'sucks because roger ver'. ver probably used the bitcoin client before it was set in stone for trb
asciilifeform: see linked thread.
asciilifeform: davout: i took an interest in fluffypony's thing a while back, and did not especially like what i found.
davout: asciilifeform: if you see a lump of steel covered in flies, you brush the flies off and go use that steel for whatever it is you need steel for, no?
asciilifeform: flies - to shit.
asciilifeform: they aren't flocking to trb, or mpex, etc.
Framedragger: lol "bitcoin jesus". yea well. people flock, it's what they do
asciilifeform: and if that doesn't do the trick, consider when object is covered in a pound of flies, does it remain an open question whether it is good to eat ?
Framedragger: in the *
asciilifeform: read linked thread.
Framedragger: why the fuck is everything a honeypot to you. the technology is interesting for what it's worth. they're leveraging i2p which is interesting if not unquestionable. iirc fluffypony is the project lead list
asciilifeform: working hard to set up usg honeypot with dear old roger ver.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/GtLj7 << turns out that fluffypony has been a busy, busy honeybee since leaving us.
asciilifeform: sooooo, who recalls the 'ring signatures' thing? (e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: so first i'd get a raw pixel, then - a thing defining a spline inside the glyph, then a glyph, then a character (in the lisp sense), then the routine which produced it..
g_l: yes, there is MAP-OVER-OUTPUT-RECORDS-OVERLAPPING-REGION or some such
g_l: Via an output-record (object that has been presented)?
asciilifeform: without knowing anything about the output in advance
asciilifeform: sooo, can i, say, traverse from x,y coordinate on the screen, to the entire pyramid of objects which produced the pixel at x,y ?
g_l: When fixed one can program entirely in CLIM. I've fixed up the debugger to eval in frame, added a 'reflective apropos'
g_l: The "text ghosting" issue has been fixed. We (finally) have a quality test case for the final error.
g_l: asciilifeform: the second to last post
g_l: The other was that text from one application would show up in another when running many applications.
g_l: You can trigger an error that kills the connection to the X server, forcing you to restart the whole lisp image.
g_l: asciilifeform: I bitched about the two showstopping errors and gas2serra stepped in and solved the first, and is in the process of solving the second.
asciilifeform: soooo what is it that changed ? tabs are now spaces ? vice-versa ? what.
asciilifeform: and, in so far as i can see, all of the things that set me to barf in the past - are still there.
asciilifeform: because i happen to know that clim was a thing, and worked, so to speak, before.
asciilifeform: in rough terms
asciilifeform: more to the point, i would like to learn what it is that g_l did to clim, and why it had to be done
asciilifeform: but 'fits in head, except for this massive part that presently fits in no head' is not same as 'fits in head'
asciilifeform: not taking issue with this claim.
g_l: If you don't want the font engine crap, make a new font engine. This is very much doable by a single man.
asciilifeform: or do we now arbitrarily get to cut a problem down to where all of the actual moving parts are somehow 'elsewhere' ?
asciilifeform: g_l: really now, fits in head, incl. the font engine crap etc. ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 14:01 mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the original issue, what exactly is supposed to protect gabriel's present infatuation from being applebaum'd in the arbitrary future ?
g_l: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1531840 < CLIM fits-in-head, and the final showstopping error (X11 related crap) has been reduced to a simple test case, and is in the process of being solved. ☝︎
trinque: but having said that, LAMP should not be idly tossed aside. it has seen the world.
trinque: it is apparent to me that sbcl has.