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a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:58
trinque: mk, so anything we don't feel like reading we just cram into
the genesis for our children
to swim in
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:45 mp_en_viaje: leaving aside how a rate of progress of 0 items / week for week after week after livelong week puts extremely low demands on my
time and attention -- far, far from requiring it be a central locus of my focus, republican 2019 as seen so far would have worked just as well if i gave it an hour biweekly, and i don't mean
twice a week, i mean every other week --
there's just no need
to keep
the engine running on big brutus for
the "j
mp_en_viaje: you're aware of
this flow, are you ? i allocated him
to you so
that he becomes more like you, not so
that you become more like him.
mp_en_viaje: just up and start "telling what work" in
trilema, ESPECIALLY seeing how you've not so far done such an impressive job "telling what work" in #trinque, so as
to, for instance, rescue ben_vulpes from his grave.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-07-14 22:25
trinque: diana_coman: congrats.
the next step would be
to produce a vpatch which adds your curl ebuild atop
the genesis.vpatch
the bootstrapper produced.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:53
trinque: I
told you what work would be necessary
to make having
the src in
the
tree do anything in
the last
thread.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:51
trinque: my intent here was
to have
the vtree read as a history of
the items as
they have been understood, not as "here's
the wad of shit diana_coman needed one day so we put it all in and signed it"
diana_coman: fwiw,
taking
the above view, I can fully see his despair at "but why don't you have
the sources in
there?" ;
the only puzzler is how exactly does he see
the above as more practical and pragmatic
than
the plain "this wad of shit is what cuntoo is atm, worms and mud and all"
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:11
trinque: yes, now graft in
the src as
territory is actually captured
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I understand it,
trinque's algo is
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 aka in a way
the precise opposite: we don't actually have cuntoo at all; we have (genesised) just a map and
the rest is a sort of "for illustration purpose only"
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:52
trinque: we agree
the work isn't done, but I fundamentally disagree
that gb genesis is
the move
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:03
trinque: my objection is
that nobody here knew how
to build a linux aside perhaps 3 folks.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 05:50 mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923456 << yes but
trb was last worked upon i dun even recall, 2015 ? when we decided we have
to fix everything else first. in between
then and now, medical science made some progress
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:04
trinque: but having crammed
them all into
the genesis ruins
the "what's a linux" overview
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:53
trinque: "fuck you I deal only in platonic ideals" is not a way of interfacing with
the world
diana_coman: trinque: ftr
there is no
talk whatsoever of
trashing
the item you made, no idea where
that came from
trinque: asciilifeform: I really don't care what
the perfectly preserved historic curl was, so long as
the revised item passed
through a single human head in my wot
trinque: I mean, if it's what's wanted, somebody else step up, and I'll
trash
the item I made.
diana_coman: as I get it, you want genesis
to be only something-perfectly-understood;
that is
the perfection
that is not possible and
that nobody is asking for
diana_coman: and precisely what you are
throwing back
that "oh, but you want
the shit in
the genesis,no!"
trinque: diana_coman: I'm going
to have
to leave. my final point is
that
this "do it all perfectly and yesterday" is a great way
to never go anywhere
☟︎ diana_coman: but enumeration is not "know what wads goes" , how does
this work? how is "a wad called soandso" enough?
trinque: but having crammed
them all into
the genesis ruins
the "what's a linux" overview
☟︎☟︎ trinque: from
there, yeah, learn about curl
trinque: now someone can read
the genesis and know what goes into
the recipe
trinque: my first step was
to enumerate
the wads of ??? needed
trinque: my objection is
that nobody here knew how
to build a linux aside perhaps 3 folks.
☟︎☟︎ diana_coman: or is your objection
to using V for verifiable-incrementalism or what
diana_coman: trinque: I suppose I don't *understand*
the incrementalism you see
there; because
there isn't something I can follow "from
this genesis he did
this vpatch cutting
that out etc"
trinque: if you can graft in an understood curl somewhere ~and~ get portage
to use
that src I'll applaud
trinque: we did exactly "here are
the filthy deps we don't understand and will probably abandon" in
trb, recall
trinque: sure. and if you disagree with my incrementalism,
that's fine
too.
diana_coman: you know, I went into
this+curl because you said oh noez, nobody is doing ebuilds etc
diana_coman: I want however A genesis from where
to be able
to start
trinque: mk, so anything we don't feel like reading we just cram into
the genesis for our children
to swim in
☟︎ diana_coman: trinque: not cleaned no, not swearing either; hence mp_en_viaje 's earlier observation
that I'm not vpatching but genesising and
those are different precisely because genesis is a place
to start (be it a wad of shit) not "this
thing I can swear
to "
diana_coman: trinque: my experience is
that portage will happily build sources
that are locally in /cuntoo/distribution (iirc.); so I don't understand re "won't build"
trinque: diana_coman: did you yet read, understand, clean, and swear
to
the foregoing re: curl?
trinque: there are several changes
to portage
that'd have
to happen before it's going
to build any src you make part of
that
tree
trinque: "fuck you I deal only in platonic ideals" is not a way of interfacing with
the world
☟︎ trinque: I
told you what work would be necessary
to make having
the src in
the
tree do anything in
the last
thread.
☟︎ diana_coman: so how do you suggest
to start? because even if I have
this ebuild, I can't patch it because effectively, no sources so what am I patching exactly, just
the ebuild script? how does
that help?
trinque: moreover it would've been great
to have someone raise
this objection when I was posting alphas of
the
thing for months
diana_coman: trinque:
the
trouble is
that you need
to start from somewhere and
that somewhere is "this wad of shit"
trinque: we agree
the work isn't done, but I fundamentally disagree
that gb genesis is
the move
☟︎ trinque: my intent here was
to have
the vtree read as a history of
the items as
they have been understood, not as "here's
the wad of shit diana_coman needed one day so we put it all in and signed it"
☟︎ trinque: in light of years of
threads on
the subj.
trinque: this "gb genesis is fine"
thing comes as a surprise.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 05:42 mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923443 << but of course. once precious cuntlet ends up importent into any process flow, you know for a fact it won't get undone willingly -- it's either burn it down or forget about it. (pc is
this
thing, you've surely seen it,
the dumb chick who
thinks she's got a "career" out of "following 3 ring binder".
the exact other half of
the dumb chick who
thinks "nobody can call her a slut" because she's dressing poorly
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 05:37 mp_en_viaje:
the problem with your stance is
tha
tthey do not want your custom.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman:
ty, will get you set up
today
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: in case you need it:
the domain name for it is younghands.club
diana_coman: it
turns out mulling will have
to do its
thing while action goes on.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: make me a shared hosting account with wp installed please; bill it for one year and let me know if
there's something else you need from me
mp_en_viaje: and what hapened's 100% what happened with "nearly free speech", linux and everyone else :
they "upgraded",
thereby breaking
the abi,
thereby destroying history -- because obviously
the dead don't chase updates.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-14 08:12 mp_en_viaje: so since
thelastpsychiatrist.com went all fucking stupid (cloudflare aside, and mountain of pointless js aside,
there's a spurious 1min delay before any pageload also now!), i scraped
the article list both from archive page and category page, and downloaded
the list.
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 << meanwhile
the cause for
this was discovered : yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/yahoo/yahoo-min.js yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/event/event-min.js yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/connection/connection-min.js all 404 ; so whatever's your
timeout
that's how long pages
take
to spuriously load.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:19 asciilifeform: possibly with granular billing ('femtobitcoin per cpu cycle' even, or
the like) or not, but in principle possible.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:11
trinque: yes, now graft in
the src as
territory is actually captured
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:10 asciilifeform: even 100MB is pushing it. i dunno if i, personally, will live long enuff
to read 100MB of cpp.
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923463 <<
this being why
the wot system even exists : so
ten dozen different worms can work
together, digest mysql codebase or w/e, and produce a usable item. which yes, once it's made can be re-genesised into sanity and we can safely forget
the name mysql. but until
then, work.
☝︎ mp_en_viaje: When version 5.6 is removed, I will have
to pack up and leave. By imposing
these changes, you will have lost a customer of 12 years. And probably not only one." says exactly
the same
thing.
mp_en_viaje: in fact,
the above is actually happening ~even
today~ : "
mp_en_viaje: and so, given
that we've decided "something like
the item will have
to exist" and also "the actual item may be just as good a starting point as anything, and in any case better
than pen, blank paper, and alf's scheduler",
thus
therefore it follows, mandatorily and undisputably,
that
there will be a bunch of large genesises.
mp_en_viaje: because
that's
the very correlate of republic, and of selectivity and of changing
the world, as opposed
to social club.
mp_en_viaje: IF one does not want gb sized ~genesis~,
then ONE MUST NOT USE
THE ITEM. yes, usage against
this is
tolerated against. but
the day will come when it's "sorry, your X can not interop with republic, either get rid of it or get lost yourself". and i fucking mean
that,
too, maybe not
today and maybe not
tomorrow, but it will fucking happen.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:09 asciilifeform:
trinque: imho GB-sized vpatch makes a mockery of very concept.
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923461 << gb size PATCH yes, and is forbidden. GB sized GENESIS not
the same
thing at all. plox
to not confuse vpatch and genesis! patch says, "this is a change i'm making
to an item, plox judge ~the change~. not
the item.
the item is
taken for granted". gensis says, "this is an item i'm proposing ; please judge it".
☝︎ mp_en_viaje: the fact
that young girls do
this a lot more
than young boys,
these days, is
the principal reason of white man culture failure, btw.
mp_en_viaje: rather decided
to
matasareanu herself all over
the altar of her precious cuntlet mattering in
the world.
mp_en_viaje: eg -- some "self-serve" items will do
table service for me, some will come over
to
tell me i gotta go
to
them, and run into
the "you already walked here, now
take out your pen". 100% DO NOT
take out
the pen, because if
the precious cuntlet's dumb enough
to actually march over
to
whine at me about her incronssequential worldview failing in practice, she's sure as fuck not about
to drop it. she's