asciilifeform: while we're on subj, mircea_popescu do you think it'd make sense to keep books vtronically? or would it be a case of 'take the rifle to fishing'
asciilifeform: ( record keeping dun do any good if you write down wrong num )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin was changed 'inside' on my watch, but seems like there were arithmetical howler at some pt, so i suppose effectively same
asciilifeform: nao i hear hypertext exists, lessee if can make less of bowel-loosening horror
asciilifeform: i.e. crapola glommed to end erry day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was linear tape of changes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz lemme know btw if you need any inout from asciilifeform to clean those ughstables
asciilifeform: ( btw these are imho a luxury. i simply hate having to click 9000 links to get a tree , and assume other folx do also )
asciilifeform: i did sign a tarball fulla regrindolade last wk. but largely so folx know they get what i put in, rather than ball fulla patches + usg gnutar 0day impregnated in flight etc
asciilifeform: ( and woe be unto those who dun have what to supply to it.. )
asciilifeform: maybe in the end entire planet will end up as vertically-integrated suppliers for s.mg...☟︎
asciilifeform: even if exch rate moves 2 orders of magnitude erry other tuesday
asciilifeform: prolly the only biz that dun have this problem at all, is s.mg, which of oct '18 broadcast reports '8`484.51538878', i.e. capitalized until the sun burns out☟︎
asciilifeform: 'volatility is a tax' or how did mircea_popescu phrase it in the old days.
asciilifeform: trinque: i admit that i sometimes miss the days when the amt of shit i gave re what the heathen exch rate is, was the size of a hamster's . pizarro is the 1 bone in throat on that score, it runs on heathenbux and consequently sensitive to the weather, like a bad knee
asciilifeform: given as i'd have to release N almost-completely-identical patches each time i release a chapter
asciilifeform: and reader would be stuck manually diffing'em, which defeats most of the win from using v vs signed tars etc
asciilifeform: if i had offered them in beginning, the architecture-specific pressable leaves will be gargantuan in size
asciilifeform: this is the reason why asciilifeform is saving the optional asm subroutines in ffa for ~dead last~ ( per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 proclamation ) rather than given in beginning of series
asciilifeform: it forced you to proclaim that the 6 are in fact new programs, because you turned a common knob and potentially changed their meanings, of all 6
asciilifeform: and yes it is true that if you write 6 platform variants today, and want to change the common trunk tomorrow, you will need to regrind all 6. but this is 'not a bug, but a feature'
asciilifeform: so i can e.g. 'press arm64' , 'press x86'
asciilifeform: bvt: platform variants belong exclusively in leaves.
asciilifeform: the fact that it feels to noobs like 'unnatural acrobatics' is an artifact of writer suddenly having to pay that actual cost of the complexity inflicted on reader. and yes folx whined, just like in ex-ussr folx whined when they started having to pay for mains current .☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: bvt: if you understand why bitcoin does not tolerate 'yes i'm on the same chain as you! except that i flipped a single bit in block 100, and really, honestly, nuffin ever depended on the tx where i flipped it!' -- you will also understand why v does not tolerate this either☟︎
asciilifeform: v is just about exactly same thing as bitcoin's chain, with the difference that it seals with manually-crafted operator signatures, rather than 'proof of work' gymnastics
asciilifeform: bvt: it's in fact exactly the same thing that e.g. bitcoin does -- you cannot go back and flip a bit in block 100, and expect to be on the same chain as other folx, it'll correctly invalidate 101--present from your node's pov ( and your entire existence from other's pov )
asciilifeform: to put it in mircea_popescuine terminology -- the scenario that v makes specifically and rightfully impossible is 'hey, i changed 'wife' to 'dog' in your marriage contract, but yer still just as married, you signed all the downstreams'
asciilifeform: diana_coman has it ( i'm expanding pedantically specifically for n00bs, but same point )
asciilifeform: if it is an item which conceivably affects the meaning of other text in unpredictable ways, then the patch must reflect this ( and we get 'reground' code. )
asciilifeform: the 'one little thing' is only 'little' when ~nothing depends on it~ -- i.e. is an extension of a leaf node, graph-theoretically speaking
asciilifeform: v makes it possible to sign a compartmentalized change , so reader is not stuck having to manually diff contents of signed_foo.today.tar.gz against signed_foo.tomorrow.tar.gz to see where the changes were. but what it deliberately does ~not~ do is to enable the pretense ( carried on in git & other heathen abominations ) that a proggy where something semantically upstream of $place were changed, is ~same~ proggy ~but for $place~ .
asciilifeform: arguably v is a labour-saving device ~specifically for readers~, rather than writers, of programs -- if we were passing signed tarballs around, as we did prior to v, reader would be stuck determining exactly what changed, after manually verifying sig.☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873666 << much of what seems to n00bs as 'unnatural acrobatics' in vtronics is in fact the actual and inevitable cost of writing proggies ~honestly~ -- i.e. without pretending, as the heathens do, that 'i only changed this one little thing, whatddayamean it's a new program now'☝︎
asciilifeform: ^ the heathen barbarism that goes counter to this formulation, that we're thankfully rid of
asciilifeform: it is quite impossible to say entirely in advance what api for glue layer on buncha unix garbage, will be, until fully grasped at least the outer surface of said garbage
asciilifeform: diana_coman: consider, if i'd done 'api first' for udp, would have ended up with ~same thing as ave1's hairball, i.e. 'just like gnat.sockets but maybe slightly less sad'
asciilifeform: imho the minimal .c glue is actually The Right Thing while we're still stuck on unix
asciilifeform: anybody recall whether there's a handy gauge somewhere re just how fat is the sow presently ? ( it ain't particularly hard to calculate , simply add up the coinz presently sitting in 'anyone-spends' )
asciilifeform: tho i think mircea_popescu had one, iirc it was 'they're letting the sow fatten for table', approx
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr i still dun have anything like a working hypothesis re why the miners let segshitness live for as long as it has
asciilifeform: mod6: errything well, ( tho asciilifeform as always during weekdays is knee deep in heathen rubbish )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873480 << this is entirely ok, diana_coman , there is not a burning hurry ( tho i expect that anybody who intends on firing ffa on battlefield will first take the time to properly eat it )☝︎
