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asciilifeform loox in his notebook and finds also 'hm why not let mp-wp highlight selects on server-end, so machines w/out js display highlights' but also never attempted this, notenuff phpfu
mp_en_viaje: i guess that's not so lengthy
mp_en_viaje: who else is there, billymg ? Mocky ? either of you got a moment to do this ?
mp_en_viaje: should prolly compress, to avoid comma in url.
asciilifeform: idea is, selector knows what the selection is, when it is made, ~that~ part worx errywhere
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so your idea is, recursive search ? user selects "duck" in abcduckefg, the script tries "c" sees if unique, if yes uses, if not tries bc, if unique uses if not abc etc ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: mountain of insanity, 100km tall
asciilifeform: i'ma defo do mine, if this is baked
asciilifeform: not necessarily useless, could autoconvert to $form
mp_en_viaje: this completely the fuck fucked me over thoyugh, 100+ links, hand picked all, now useless.
asciilifeform: if this is the ~only~ text on the page, then start='duck', end='duck' neh
mp_en_viaje: what if i want to select the third duck in duckduckduck ?
asciilifeform: when i was sawing the thing apart , thought 'why not make selector search for start/end chars until finds unique, then sel displayer ditto' but did not get to trying this
mp_en_viaje: what the fuck am i going to do
asciilifeform: it's a wonder that even displaying text worx reliably
mp_en_viaje: selection thing works by counting dom elements, and, guess the fuck what, different browsers build the thing differently, resulting in different counts. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: the fucking cuntheaded imbecile anti fucking human MORONS made it so you can't, actually, have in-page reference that works reliably.
mp_en_viaje: in other horrible news : it's confirmed, the selection thing is ~~~BROWSER SPECIFIC~~~
mp_en_viaje: do you recall that arguably famous-er pic of the guy on the er table with hips turning cyanotic hugging a telephone pole up his ass ? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 23:20 asciilifeform: grr i was gonna add that famous lathe meat-wind pic to this thread, but cannot nao find.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 00:43 ben_vulpes: and so the girlies shack up with other girlies, the boys retire to secular onasteries, and they all think it precisely tits.
asciilifeform: 'golden age' of ben in re trb etc was when was in own shop .
asciilifeform: iirc ben actually had own shop, in the north, but then moved south for moarmoolah
asciilifeform: ( i dun think the particulars were ever detailed , but evidently salt mine that dun leave much juice left when whistle blows in evening )
mp_en_viaje: well, the reason i don't really know what's going on would be that... never said.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 14:46 mp_en_viaje: just up and start "telling what work" in trilema, ESPECIALLY seeing how you've not so far done such an impressive job "telling what work" in #trinque, so as to, for instance, rescue ben_vulpes from his grave.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923618 << if i recall, they're sitting in same common grave / salt mine in tx somewhere, atm ☝︎
asciilifeform: i usually end up searching for what the folx who were 'at home' had said in $thread .
mp_en_viaje: this extensive travel is going to make finding shit in a few years SO fucking painful. "i wonder, did i say mircea_popescu ? mp_en_viaje ?"...
asciilifeform: ( it was only then that even devised the algo, during thread w/ mp_en_viaje re 'trbi' )
asciilifeform: tho, tbf, most of it wrote in '17
asciilifeform: ( the O(1) tx store . )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: frustratingly, i have the 'trbfs'. but grrrr gnat bugola
mp_en_viaje: which is why we're working on build toolchains and kernels and whatnot, in lieu of, eg, trbfs.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:34 asciilifeform: certainly has NOT 'stood in place since 2015' tho. i would not want to use the trb of '15 in preference to the current.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923602 << yes yes. i wasn't contemplating an indictment, i mearly meant, we, sometime cca 2015, discovered that any heavy lifting re trb gotta wait, for some terraforming work. ☝︎
asciilifeform: castro's payment for the rockets.
asciilifeform: ( untutored folx would try to smoke'em like cig, an' choke )
asciilifeform: apparently in su they were sold at one time errywhere, but sat on shelves, ~no one wanted, no one knew how to smoke'em properly
asciilifeform: brought it to usa. later found, 'romeo & juliet' cuban, circa 1970s
mp_en_viaje: cig metal tubes pretty good for all sorta uses. decent butt dildo in a pinch too.
asciilifeform: at one time i made regular visits to tobacconist, even tho do not myself cigar. to buy : boxes.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha, i have a bunch of them ~same reason
asciilifeform: ( complete with 'danish butt', laugh if you will. i no longer eat'em, but gotta keep the screws, 74xxx, rejected FG components, ..., ..., somewhere! )
asciilifeform: cant think why else just yet
asciilifeform: currently suspect sumthing to do with verticality of asciilifeform's display
mp_en_viaje: the dom is not stable enough to have meaningful count!
asciilifeform: was thinking same q this morning
mp_en_viaje: ah yes. titless.
asciilifeform: this kinda thing aint a point of pride for asciilifeform , would rather sit in well-tidied workbench. but in fuckholeistan where real estate costs like on space station -- even commercial labs look same.
asciilifeform: 1 sends for daughter to come and undress an' show its wares etc
asciilifeform: was scene where 2 d00dz sitting by a table, and it is full of mobos, rifle optics, cpus, unspeakable wirings, etc
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:05 trinque: diana_coman: I'm going to have to leave. my final point is that this "do it all perfectly and yesterday" is a great way to never go anywhere
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923572 << dood, nevermind the "yesterday" and dramatis persona generally. last i saw stuff from you it was A DIFFERENT YEAR. what yesterday ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: can't seem to find in O(1) tho
asciilifeform: there's a scene in 1 of mp_en_viaje's fictions where almost literally depicts asciilifeform's torture room
asciilifeform: guest: 'is that.. bear trap?!' a:'what's the problem'
mp_en_viaje: good for them ; but i don't.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 15:18 mp_en_viaje: there's this strange habit in many places in eastern europe, including romania, where peasant houses, even two room houses, get a "front room" which is never lived in. the family deposits "the good stuff" there, never uses it, goes in for two hours a year during easter or w/e.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923635 << funnily enuff , asciilifeform's parents have 1 of these, lol ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:04 trinque: but having crammed them all into the genesis ruins the "what's a linux" overview
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923569 << ruins nothing, add it as a comment file "here's your blueprint". gets the incalculable benefit of proper tooling, can now reference meaningfully. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
asciilifeform: ( and then! then! last nail in coffin -- rk3328 goes outta print )
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 12:25 asciilifeform: the incident where i glued together rk pilot plant, to only ~then~ find out that nobody knows when the fuck proper gnat will actually build arm binaries w/ working threading, was instructive.
asciilifeform: cuz can't see how else to avoid 'so sad, asciilifeform , you thought could gnat errywhere? how about it dunwork on arm, bahaha' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-18 04:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
asciilifeform: fast-fwd to nao, when asciilifeform goes into what formerly 'obvious nuttery', i.e. 'let's genesis a whole machine arch' ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: was multi pronged, there's me having meltdowns over eulora not compiling either, and so on.
mp_en_viaje: at the time there wasn't the need. notice how all the destructoforks happened just about the time we announced v.
asciilifeform: at the time i dun think there was even thought yet of 'must confiscate gcc' etc
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 14:57 mp_en_viaje: and yes, it included fucking bdb, as well as all sorts of stupid crap, which no, nobody swore to this very day ; not because nobody read, either. nor do i expect anyone will ever swear to bdb trb component.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923625 << was a sort of cheat tho, the genesis did not actually include bdb etc ~textually~ . so maintained illusion of 'trb is this 300kB of shitoshi' ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: supposedly there's always to whom. but ... in practice...
asciilifeform: requires to have to-whom, neh
mp_en_viaje: that, incidentally, is the worst stone to swallow, for me. say what i might about "oh, symbolics/whatever people were idiots", sure, why not. but these guys, they FUCKING TRIED getting math torch passed. and i know of no way it could've been done better.
asciilifeform: on bright side, 'lizard' set also thinning, e.g. last week -- perot
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i recall finding that comba died right when was writing comba's algo.
asciilifeform: ( lotsa things that oughta be in it, tho, aint -- e.g. ave1's gnat, my kernels, etc. cuz nuffin to patch against )
asciilifeform: q is whether also can have vtronic 'cartilage' to connect the stones in the pile.
asciilifeform: ( for folx innocent of classical gentooism -- the main function of 'portage' is to walk dependency chain ~between proggies~ and build'em in correct order. )
mp_en_viaje: i dunno dood, part of the problem of this is that until we see it we haven't seen it.
asciilifeform: if accept '100MB genesis' , then most of 'portage' is actually redundant, and as i understand whole thing can be replaced with a slightly mechanized vtron
asciilifeform: if 'portage' cannot be cut into vtronicizable parts, it'll have to be thrown, tertium non datur
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz -- trb was 'tank w/out treads' for, iirc, 1st 6+ months, until this )
asciilifeform: at one pt i thought same re asciilifeform vs. trb . ( then mp_en_viaje unwedged me , he had bdb notes , '14 )
mp_en_viaje: whatever its merits from a religious pov, it's fucking insanely inconvenient. what am i supposed to say here, "oh, now that we have v, let's not use it, and instead work on everything outside of v" ? and what... let's design... u, for preparatory work for v ? and what, make it different from v /
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 14:13 diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I understand it, trinque's algo is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 aka in a way the precise opposite: we don't actually have cuntoo at all; we have (genesised) just a map and the rest is a sort of "for illustration purpose only"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923610 << i admit even considered possibility that the orig gentoo is heavy enuff and fulla stones and trinque broke teeth trying to eat. but cannot say definitively . ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: there's this strange habit in many places in eastern europe, including romania, where peasant houses, even two room houses, get a "front room" which is never lived in. the family deposits "the good stuff" there, never uses it, goes in for two hours a year during easter or w/e. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: i can see his pov too, the only problem is that he picks some utterly terrible approaches.
asciilifeform sees trinque's pov, many times was wedged on a problem where 'i have 95% of solution but for the remaining 5 -- ugliest turd ever seen' . but must agree with mp_en_viaje -- you can't get orig text from a hash, and can't vpatch if you aint got orig
mp_en_viaje: ego bricks around the house. this doesn't make them some kind of magic gurus, nor does it make your own understanding of the systems and processes involved somehow inconsequential. why does it constantly have to come back to this purely psychogenic, oh, nobody reads, oh, nobody can sit down a kernel, whatever the hell ? it's just not a way to go about things, nobody's achievement is diminishing your own nor does your achievement necessarily require
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:03 trinque: my objection is that nobody here knew how to build a linux aside perhaps 3 folks.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923563 << you keep struggling with this issue, and it's unseemly. looky, you didn't invent computers. you weren't there when ken thompson shocked himself on the pdp or when richie papercut himself with the unix manual or when etcetera. you're fifth generation, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. plenty of people hacked away at linux or at unix or at whatever the fuck else back when you were installing l ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: ast-er, and nobody stores it all, quite deliberately, because everyone fucking hates it, not loves it like they love bitcoin.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:00 trinque: we did it by hash reference
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923558 << hash reference is useless for this purpose, because of the very meaning of a hash -- you can't get the hashed source back out of it. the hash worked well enough for trb because ~everyone has ~all versions and so it's a narrow and well documented domain. the hash will not work (and, experimentally, in plenty of cases you weren't involved with, failed to work, because the domain is 2+ degrees of magnitude v ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: and yes, it included fucking bdb, as well as all sorts of stupid crap, which no, nobody swore to this very day ; not because nobody read, either. nor do i expect anyone will ever swear to bdb trb component. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: all discussion to shock and surprise aside, this is the fuck exactly how trb genesis happened, too. nobody wrote a good one, just picked an actual one and genesis'd that.