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mircea_popescu: Framedragger so it doesn'
t fail it in your book. what of it. i brought a whore to my grandma's dinner once, it didn'
t disqualify her in my book. that's what books are for.
mircea_popescu: and yes people take umbrage with very little bullshit, which is not unreasonable, because a) very little bullshit is never alone (we know this, because unlike the dicklets involved, we HAvE EXPERIENCE in the fucking field) and b) it doesn'
t take much to throw everything off, bullshit compounds while truth decays.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i don'
t see how this is enabling. by that metric, *everything* is enabling. someone used phuctor to hack into box, phuctor enabled them?
Framedragger: i mean, a large part of the paper is exposition. rsa, dht (relevant to how onion services work), etc.; so, it's not *interesting*. but it's not in any particular way shitty. i wouldn'
t have read it otherwise and certainly do not see it as very valuable.
Framedragger: diana_coman: i haven'
t read the method section yet but so far so good.
Framedragger: wasn'
t a rhetorical question. but i certainly do not wish to waste tmsr's cpu cycles, so no need to answer, either
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no you didn'
t see it because i had a discussion over coffee before taking the pics with a girl, so this matters now.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you've not any standing to ask, so i guess you mayn'
t ask.
Framedragger: well, why don'
t i (unless someone else already planned to do it first?) write to those folks on that ML, informing of phuctor, to see their response? maybe futile at this point and useless, but at least a more constructive reaction.
Framedragger: granted, phuctor gets crawled *more* / *a lot* (i presume, from what you had been telling). so i understand the incredulity of "you haven'
t heard?!!"
Framedragger: well, my relay descriptor search service also got crawled loads, but the fact that people didn'
t know about it wasn'
t because people ignored it; but just that meat-people (not bots) weren'
t aware of it.
Framedragger: and you absolutely cannot fathom the humble thought that they simply didn'
t hear about phuctor?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ok i've read it; so your chief issue is that they didn'
t mention phuctor in-between the initial 2012 study and the 2016 years correct? i mean, bear with me, i'm not baiting.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the "originate the idea" hogwash is ridiculouys. next you'\re going to bring defenses in copyright cases based on "grimm brothers didn'
t invent the alphabet so therefore ineptitude is a ok!!1"
Framedragger: so, phuctor didn'
t originate the idea, is all.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what was discussed in developer meetings long ago ? "dude wouldn'
t irt be cool if i invented flight ???"
Framedragger: how about "was discussed in developer meetings *long ago*" (the counter will be "you didn'
t tell us then so FU", so w/e i guess.)
Framedragger knows phf and asn from that list personally and knows for certain that they didn'
t 'plagiarize' from phuctor. but whatever, if phuctor not cited, it's plagiarism because independent thought not possible, etc.
mircea_popescu: understand something about "declarations" in this vein : they themselves are an attack, if you can'
t universally enforce them. the us collapsed out of an attempt to declare that "they, not us, are the bad guys" without the actual strength to enforce this ; so did the soviet union, and so does every inept mother who tries to tell her kid what to do out of line.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (ie, if you don'
t also save the block hash, you can'
t do some edge cases of (currently mostly unsupported, but historically used) txn.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637547 << you certainly need the pubkey of the input address, which was back in the day the rationale behind the whole "don'
t reuse addresses" thing -- the pubkey of an address which has paid before is known ; the pubkey of an address which has not paid before isn'
t known.
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: i somehow don'
t believe that thing actually works as long term archiving anymore.
CompanionCube is a uktard but doesn'
t particularly like it. There's not exactly much to like at the moment.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of that cartoon re final cs class at stanford : "and you are the idiots who didn'
t get hired in 2nd or 3rd year". same deal, whoring is a fine plan for cut-above-rest 16yo. by the time she's 30 she's either married or too rich to care.
☟︎ Framedragger: well, old 'dev' account for twitter app (don'
t ask); doesn'
t count
ben_vulpes: fuck, buddy, i didn'
t think it could get worse!
ben_vulpes: shinohai: if they don'
t have a rep in here, it's vaporware by default
ben_vulpes: so i read a bit about datura, "moonflower, that sounds familiar...hey baby aren'
t you doing something with moonflower in the backyard this year?" "yeah! it's going to be beautiful" "..." "is this about how daturas are poisonous?" "..." "it's going in on the carport where dog and child can'
t get to it"
trinque: really mircea_popescu already did. "I lost a man using Debian machines today." not only do you know something about Debian, you know something about where he was. maybe not as much as you'd like, but you have some coordinates, and more importantly, if you don'
t suck, *you* aren'
t dead
mircea_popescu: it is of no concern. we don'
t own the pipeline so we don'
t cement the products.
mircea_popescu: we don'
t put pogos that way. if you recall, i wasn'
t for it then, either.
mircea_popescu: "spot check model doesn'
t mater, if there's phosgene in the air you're fucked" "yes, well, i think i might notice the phosgene. by you know, how the gals drop like flies."
mircea_popescu: and the reason it doesn'
t matter is because it's impossible not to stumble on the one.
mircea_popescu: but in practical terms, i don'
t check all the living space all the time. i check random spots at random times and if they're dirty somebody sleeps in a zebra costume. this method keeps the place well clean, and it's how management works. hence the discussion of genovese merchants etc.
phf: we were comming from the direction of debian on 10 cds though, so restating my original point: i think bootstrapping can be solved with counterparty as an alternative to fits in head, i.e. i don'
t mind an approach where in order to bootstrap i get a binary from l1, that i use as a rich subtrate from which i can bootstrap.
phf: i don'
t ~refuse~ it, i'm saying that differential approach is ~required~ because there's a problem. otherwise there'd be no need for an approach. i don'
t think it matters that approach is already presant for other purposes
mircea_popescu: i can judge whether an egg is rotten or not without being a hen myself. i can tell which kids aren'
t worth bothering with though i'm no mother "and i don'
t understand them like she does" etcetera.
phf: i didn'
t understand previous sentence, so i refuse to be led down a path towards a trap :p
mircea_popescu: to try and resolve it : do you believe i could be a successful genovese merchant if i couldn'
t add ?
phf: the problem broadly speaking is that our solution to trust is "read the source code", in order to trust compiler you read the source code of the compiler. the trust chain terminates at bootstrapping. you can'
t "just" bootstrap on an untrusted system, you have to enumerate defensive approaches
mircea_popescu: yes, but this is not in reference to compilation. it's in reference to user space. i don'
t expect there's a magical function f, but that there's a plurality of f1..fi...fn, which can all be linear in principle.
mircea_popescu: phf my hm hasn'
t returned yet. what conditions are presupposed that anticipate the problem ?
mircea_popescu: (i am not, for clarity, declaring he didn'
t anymore than i'm declaring he did. i personally dun gas.)
Framedragger: didn'
t rms implement emacs by ~himself? or that doesn'
t count?
mircea_popescu: can'
t say as i have. by the age i was hanging out with the rave sluts i was no longer playing with magnets.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t think anyone takes carbon dating seriously. outside of the you know, "ring" so to speak. it's a trade secret of the substance and nature of wrestling storylines.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 12:28 mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can'
t discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn'
t understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn'
t judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don'
t repress yourself!
trinque: doesn'
t discount the beardcrust factor either. "If we maximally shuffle the circumstances around us, surely *someone* will fuck us. Anything can happen."
trinque: also srsly don'
t reason with "is bad"
trinque: because trying to enable luser that wouldn'
t be able to say. it's a sort of accessability for the disabled.
trinque: I don'
t expect that there would for example be a diversity of republican emacs builds
trinque: asciilifeform: it occurs to me that v-ports-tree oughtn'
t *need* USE flags or package.mask ; those are bad solutions to "have a better WoT"
shinohai: I actually had a Russian camgirl that asked if I was Jew before she paid for services, she said she didn'
t like jews and wouldn'
t pay them xD
mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can'
t discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn'
t understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn'
t judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don'
t repress yourself!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: eh, i don'
t expect worldwide usage of otp ticker exceeds 1mbps.
shinohai: "Hey this water makes our skin more brown, so we aren'
t pasty like the Chileans!"
mircea_popescu: shinohai yes. their official beach where everyone goes is actually untreated sewage. they don'
t care.
mircea_popescu: this isn'
t to say that pre-peron argentina wasn'
t a major world power, it was. but at no point was greenwich village what lifetime ohioan poet imagined it to be ; and similarily the hallucinated argentina of borges is a place exactly in the sense hemingway's manhood is a manhood or blair's civilisation is a civilisation.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 17:30 asciilifeform: whaddayamean they don'
t sit around , retired and deposed colonels, deciding which fighting cock to sell, before starving
mircea_popescu: i don'
t see how it'll seriously run on anything besides a c machine for the mid term.
mircea_popescu: but i don'
t have enough elements piled up to say what elements i need to say whether this is so or not.
mircea_popescu: phf and if you don'
t keep the machine online, you don'
t.
phf: if i have an open ssh port on my machine that i don'
t know about, then the attack can happen any time in between "rotor3" released "i decide to install rotor3""
mircea_popescu: either i get to use my tool frist, in which case i can perceive a change ; or else i don'
t get to use my tool first, in which case -- prediction is necessary.
mircea_popescu: yes, i might. but i don'
t ~have to~ already be using it.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this idea doesn'
t scale the way phf wants it to scale.
phf: i don'
t think it's a problem for an arbitrary chain. i was more thinking lizard hitler patches compiler to specifically fuck with rotor3 chain
mircea_popescu: phf the rub is that you're stuck with infinity on one end. you really can'
t tell in advance what i'll want your compiler to do.