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diana_coman: yay, thank you phf ! that was super-quick

ben_vulpes: phf: i haven't watched much television or many movies full stop

asciilifeform: phf: naggum had a perl rant , re how it typifies fungus-growth media by supplying young cocklets with inexhaustible fountain of trivial breakages to 'cleverly' work around

a111: Logged on 2016-03-20 15:27 phf: guile is the old warhorse of the "scheme in emacs!!" agenda, pretty sure even naggum ranted about it

esthlos: phf: hmm

mircea_popescu: phf he's the proverbial fox hunting dog that the fox ~doesn't even have to bat its tail~ for him to fork off.

asciilifeform: phf: separate item, but ended up in same thread. it's the 1 quadratic algo left in proper-v

asciilifeform: phf: this is 1) true 2) still a war crime

esthlos: phf: no fucking way

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point phf will implement a wordwrap ; which can be done for browser window. ☟︎

asciilifeform: makes phf's viewer unusable too

mircea_popescu: phf i thought it meant "toxoplasmosis is a kind of meeting of the minds also!" tbh.

mircea_popescu: phf i can't understand why this would be, after all ubuntu came about as an attempt to bring linux to the masses.

mircea_popescu: phf im not sure what you're saying.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 23:42 phf: zavalashin is another old timer, the piece in question is his only contribution to forbse

asciilifeform: phf: strooong lsd...

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839

mircea_popescu: consider the discussion with phf ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760915 ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 18:23 phf: a country full of enablers

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:31 phf: welcome to running an irc bot

asciilifeform: ty phf !

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:06 phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _

asciilifeform: mod6: phf had comments in his

mod6: <+asciilifeform> but yes phf's algo -- worx. << I came up with same: ``<{'_}{_}_ (n-1)

mircea_popescu: phf ahaha that thing. "comes alive at night AND FUCKS YOUR WIFE!!!" has endured as a harem ditty.

mircea_popescu: phf at least mortar is only OCCASIONALLY harmful to the fun seeker.

mircea_popescu: phf and when did the ustard female fall into this "everything exists to justify itself to me" trap anyway ? dude! if you're under 30 nobody's going to seek you out to explain lengthy explanation to obtain your permission, what the holy fuck omfg!

mircea_popescu: phf you know, "kinky" is rapidly becoming a very dirty word, sorta like "moron" ? 99% of my exposure to "kinky" comes from reviewing bot logs, where the pattern is 1. item self-identifies as "kinky" ; 2. bot goes through HELO/EHLO with them, provides entry point ; 3. they come back with "here is my valuation of $entry-point". because totally, anon bitch on meat market is a) in some kind of position of power and b) being asked

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:14 asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:07 phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack.

asciilifeform: but yes phf's algo -- worx.

asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration. ☟︎

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pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

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asciilifeform: phf: be so kind as to demonstrate yours on pehbot for the permalog

asciilifeform: congrats to phf and PeterL : solved ch4.

asciilifeform: phf: it was under a tall pile of spamola. should be visible nao.

asciilifeform: phf: i'ma look, 1s

asciilifeform: phf: irc on shitpnojes sucks mightily. can be made ~tolerable with 'bouncer' .

asciilifeform: ohai phf !

asciilifeform: ^ though i'ma nitpick, i actually ~had~ ( nao sold, ty phf ! for finding buyer ) a symbolics 3620 ; and it beat the shit out of the 2000s crapples, winblowz boxen, etc, at least subjectively. ( i did not obtain a 1000fps camera, unlike in the experiment claimed by linked item )

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:37 mircea_popescu: phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that.

asciilifeform: i posted one for phf last yr

mod6: <+trinque> mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff. << excellent. yeah, let's!

mircea_popescu: i suppose once phf delivers new v, we shall be looking for a hero to reportage.

mircea_popescu: because i will confess phf 's tales of bravery encourage me, to think perhaps protage could be cut from 5bn lines to 5k or somesuch ?

trinque: mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff.

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf ch5

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mircea_popescu: phf you know that show is apparently very popular with 60yos flattering themselves with "a technical facility" or w/e, clued-in by its own lights crowd?

a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 22:53 phf: yes, scp, screen, asdf. i had a v based deployment but i wasn't happy with it, so i'm trying to rethink it

asciilifeform: but i'll let phf answer the particulars of this.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's observation was re how lisp systems often accumulate GBs of state that takes weeks to re-create programatically

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:35 phf: lisps deal with freshly-pressed instances as well as anything else: by doing a clean restart. my point is not lisps, my point is that current solution assumes lack of state and delegates the problem to a non-v-tronic build system

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:18 phf: for example one thing that i tried with my lisp workflow is to have the system automatically compile/load touched files in their order of appearance in a v patch. but the order here is explicitly linear, requires fiddling with patch order, and is definitely not how we use it now

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:14 phf: v also doesn't solve all the problems that asdf attempts to solve (for example compilation dependency)

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:03 phf: also particularly gendered packages outright put #-asdf3 (error "requires asdf3") and ~usually~ it's because they silently rely on uiop, far's unix compatability layer

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 18:59 phf: ben_vulpes: note that older versions of asdf actually work. i've been running 1.369 in my cmucl, and it does require manually updating half of your asdf to remove various later extensions, but it works

mircea_popescu: phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 17:36 phf: (which is by the way not what i do, i just fucking fix. every. single. fucking. piece. of. quicklisp. packaged. code. i. get. my. hands. on. motherfuckers)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760849 << but not like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756758 ; why not ? cheap entry right there. /me would definitely read phf's fixed lisp code shelf. ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: sbcl is a pretty interesting example of one of those spiked pits, like e.g. gcc -- items to which there is no practical alternative except 'throw away the comp and build log cabin'. but asciilifeform does not have phf's deep historical view of sbcl/cmucl ; asciilifeform arrived into the spiked pit directly

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 17:32 phf: can i fucking finish?

mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839 ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 17:35 phf: yo, modern sbcl!

asciilifeform: phf: i was thinking of cures in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758977 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:16 phf: so your entire makefile logic is outside of scope of v

ben_vulpes: while useful in some contexts, once phf said 'asdf is a pig with lipstick', could not unsee.

ben_vulpes: phf: neat summary, ty

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 02:59 phf: i mean, if you read norvig's python snippets you can clearly see they are written by a very experienced lispers. you literally never see python like that in the wild, but yet there it is.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 23:37 mircea_popescu is also happy at how diana_coman 's code veers towards literate style. you've seen this phf ?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 02:57 phf: that would be a very gruesome science fiction narrative, if that was actually the case. a kind of strugatsky's roadside picnic :>

asciilifeform: phf: ^

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 03:09 phf: but then i can also understand the whole "back in my day" sentiment. common lisp certainly lets you write ~very sloppy~ code and get away with it :>

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 04:32 phf: well, glass bead game is not really derivative, but Anathem that we often mention here with ascii is

mircea_popescu: phf the barbaric lands were slowly recivilised after the fall of the roman empire. the effort centered around this fortified monastery in gaul, and its satellites

mircea_popescu: phf nice.

pehbot: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760407

asciilifeform: phf: aha!!

pehbot: phf: foo 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

asciilifeform: phf: issue for 'Q' strictly

asciilifeform: phf: i'ma tell you a seekrit : it'll be R and L, ( 2 - 1 ) in forthological notation

pehbot: phf: or rather 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001000

pehbot: phf: eg: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001000

mircea_popescu: phf i dun think there is any fundamental reason no

asciilifeform: phf: ch5!!

asciilifeform: phf: i came up with it in 2016 when wrote the orig, unpublished mpitronic 'p'

asciilifeform: phf: which trick

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