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a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean
to sound like a d. i
think, lol,
that I've come
to
the conclusion
that I might have
to make a special 'alf' version
that is stripped down of all functionality
that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
phf: a hand curated set of wot, v
tools and patches
phf: i
think mod6's v is
trying
to solve bootstrapping problem, by pretending like it's not one. you have
to have v
tools, and you also have
to have your ~/wot.
those are created organically, at which point picking up a
tar.gz of vpatches or picking
them manually is a nobrainer. but if you're a
trb newb, you want all
three at
the same
time, which seems like a subversion of v design. why not just have a v starter kit? you unpack it, you have
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 and
then everyone will build on
the later version, leaving alf version stranded. << indeed. fair enough
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, linked for
the obvs reason
that cowsie nurses are creating
their own "watermelon field" future!
mircea_popescu: "i have
this here certificate ; i expect salary ; what do you mean
there's work
to do ? ewww!"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean
to sound like a d. i
think, lol,
that I've come
to
the conclusion
that I might have
to make a special 'alf' version
that is stripped down of all functionality
that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 02:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding
two separate projects in
the same one dir ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 and
then everyone will build on
the later version, leaving alf version stranded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding
two separate projects in
the same one dir ?
☟︎ phf: i just reinstalled everything, so no rss reader at
the moment. missed recent qntra
mod6: so
that's why it didn't respond.
mod6: adali:
thanks for
trying
to
test, but you don't have L1
trust with deedbot
adlai: it didn't respond
to a request in PM
tb0t: Projects: UCI |
t |
trb | v
mod6: ok cool, it did msg me
the help string.
mod6: oh, no wonder
tb0t was freaked out earlier. i hadn't updated it for deedbot's new control chars.
mod6: anyway, we've been on
this merry-go-round before. it'll get resolved eventually perhaps.
mod6: (and you and anyone who wants
to would just use
the genesis or something of
that sort)
mod6: perhaps,
this would even be
the first genesis version. and
then maybe an immediate subsequent vpatch
to reintroduce said functions for
those who may want
them. or not.
mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean
to sound like a d. i
think, lol,
that I've come
to
the conclusion
that I might have
to make a special 'alf' version
that is stripped down of all functionality
that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: asciilifeform: and lol,
the point is well beyond
taken
that you don't approve of
the 'init' function.
mod6: yes, intentional, if you're gonna be doing
two different projects in a dir,
they need
to have different vpatch directories.
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: which is itself a
theft of 'brezhnev's guitar' in riga.
pete_dushenski: sorry, make
that $4bn. but
that's just what happens do your usd when you build a mega-project over a decade. sorry for your qe.
mircea_popescu: "This is how hunger begins:
the morning you wake, feeling lively,
then begins
the weakness,
then begins
the boredom.
Then comes
the loss of
the power of quick reason,
then comes
the calmness. And
then begins
the horror."
phf: log. so at some point we were in "log according
to btcbase" situation. with
the recent move
to multiple bots and more importantly multiple logs, we now have "log according
to ..." model, which we can still
though attempt
to reconcile. once we move
to gossip
there can't even be a
talk of single log. it's always "log according
to whoever heard and relayed it" by design.
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: we started with a single canonical log
though, where kako's
testimony was implicitly
the word of
tmsr.
there was some anathem/"A Canticle for Leibowitz" jokes about it,
the log files were deeded, etc. while working on btcbase i realized
that
there can be no canonical log without arbitration, i.e. because of netsplits, lost messages, out of order, clock skews you need a single authority
to decide what ultimately goes into
☟︎ mircea_popescu: phf cuz logging as we use it atm is a centralized
thing
mod6: Having pretty good luck
testing
the new makefiles vpatch.
mod6: Well. Unless
the line(s) referenced are say, more
than a few days old,
then for obvious reasons, it's handy.
mod6: I find
the quoting via web-logs cumbersome, personally.
The only saving grace is when a bot parses
the line,
the spits out
that line, and maybe
the next subsequent line so I get some context instead of having
to copy
the log line referenced and drop it into a browser manually.
phf: in
the old definition of log, i.e. illuminated scroll "thus spoke saint alf"
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: cool. unrelatedly, why do you c/p whole
text line instead of using a log link ? fwiw it's
tough
to read. << i'm old school. and
trying
to flip-flop between screens is hard for me.
pete_dushenski: that i can
totally see. but until such
time... i mean, it's not as if inline quoting is a skill
that needs
to be kept sharp.
phf: fwiw
that approach is gossip-proof,
there was a
thread in logs,
that
there's not really such a
thing as "log" in gossip model, and
the conclusion was
that logging will need
to be reexamined. inline quoting
though remains
pete_dushenski: mod6: cool. unrelatedly, why do you c/p whole
text line instead of using a log link ? fwiw it's
tough
to read.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 sure, we'll
tell pete_dushenski
that it's
taken and
to move
the underline one. <<
thx!
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: !% is all yours mate << ok sounds good. will make
the needed changes asap.
phf: i walked right into
that one
trinque: whole
thing is "the internet can never change and we are helpless"
trinque: asciilifeform: saw
that yesterday; angles for "only NSA can save us" doesn't it?
phf: i kind of want
to believe
that dogen wasn't a bore, nor a stickler, but otherwise
their goals are unrelated
to each other.
mircea_popescu: anyway. what's dogen got
to say
to
this fellow ; entirely disinterested in "utility" as he finds himself ?
mircea_popescu: !~tr ro
to en "Kalughin a adormit si a visat - cica sade el intr-o
tufa, iar pe linga
tufa
trece militianul. Kalughin s-a
trezit, s-a sters la gura si a adormit din nou si a visat din nou, cica
trece el pe linga
tufa, iar in
tufa s-a ascuns si sta militianul"
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally, anyone recall who wrote
that short
text about
the guy
that sleeps and dreams
that he is hidden behind a bush and by
them goes a militsyan
mircea_popescu: to add fuel
to asciilifeform 's latent xenophobia, blavatschi was, of course, ukr.
phf: there's a series of russian koan parodies from
the 90s internet called "dao-kakao" which among other
things made fun of chinese names like
that
phf: "shobogenzo for people who hate all
this shit"
mircea_popescu: and you missed out on lotta cunt. chicks dig
this shit for some reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're going by "A Study on
the Liminal Space of Jeju
Traditional Housing by MunjonPonpuri" -Kim Hyoung-Jun.
mircea_popescu: and in other convenient coincidences, as per 문전본풀이
the goddess of kitchen and
the goddess of outhouse had an argument,
therefore koreans may not
take
things from kitchen
to
toilet or vice-versa.
phf: and majority of azn/indian
translations came from
theosophists
phf: madam blavatski and her followers did a lot of damage for years
to come. it was literally in her writing
that original meaning doesn't matter, as long as
the
translation sounds cool (there's a rationalization for why
that somehow supposed
to make sense)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: phf i'm pretty much null on azn languages myself, and so
there's always
this exact problem, "oh, idiot brit made up all
this shit"
phf: mircea_popescu: i read nishijima
translation, and
the guy went out of his way
to make it unreadable, but as precise as he could render. i can read japanese grammar, and nishijima's version comes with a lot of kanji annotations. i've checked some of his claims, and
they check out as far as it goes.
phf: further obscurantism comes from people who don't see clearly, but in a markov chain
thinking relay what
they heard before "of course
that's how it is, i heard it from joe, and it was
tired
then, what dogen is actually saying is
this flowery shit i pulled out of my ass"