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asciilifeform: i actually considered all of this in '07 but rejected because 'idiots will patch it to do jit and bring back all of the evils'
asciilifeform: and phf: i think you misunderstand - no 'subset but without escape hatch' or whatnot. just pure interpreter.
asciilifeform: dunno, i think i went 'full chuck moore' a decade ago?
phf: i guess the trickiest part then is the "x86-aware liquishit", which is enough assembly subset to make it useful, but not enough to construct an escape hatch
phf: nx bit on any page that you touch
asciilifeform: phf: jmp but strictly in the interp's state machine.
asciilifeform: betcha there is even a magic bit in amd docs that'll force no-inst-fetch-out-of-l0.
asciilifeform: lock up all the x86-aware liquishit in a few 100kb of hand-asmed kernel and never touch again.
phf: i think main line lua is that way, very tight interpreter, and i guess it's fast enough for gaming (tm)(c)
asciilifeform: a la tinyscheme
asciilifeform: very tight interpreter strictly.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 17:27 phf: (an example is https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cmucl/cmucl/blob/master/src/compiler/x86/float-sse2.lisp#L1426 x87-set-floating-point-modes prelude with keywords says some handy things about what's being emitted to put it in context, but then (:generator 6 ...) is your regular asm, mov xor ...)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544569 << i've been toying with the notion of 0 compiler ☝︎
phf: back when i knew the guy, i had a plan to stay in his house for a couple of weeks, wean him off his meds and depending on how that goes, give him acid to poke at his brain. he had some odd blindspots in his thinking that i wasn't sure if they were result of medication, or inherent. somehow multiple people were all up in arms against my plan, so i will never know..
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 19:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#562 << fwiw there's no psychotic ouverture of bipolar. 1st case mostly sounds as usgistan "let's call it something"/
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544418 << i thought psychosis was pretty common with bipolar, during the manic or depressive phases. at least in usg they prescribe antipsychotics to bipolars, though i'm not sure if that's always the case. supposedly you can take them on their own, because they have mood stabilizing effects ☝︎
phf: (an example is https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cmucl/cmucl/blob/master/src/compiler/x86/float-sse2.lisp#L1426 x87-set-floating-point-modes prelude with keywords says some handy things about what's being emitted to put it in context, but then (:generator 6 ...) is your regular asm, mov xor ...) ☟︎
phf: the advantage of something like a vop in general, is that you can emit part of the assembly that you're trying to get working in isolation first, can emit it and call in realtime (i.e. in a repl), can have multiple versions of until you get it right, etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:43 mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 21:07 mircea_popescu: phf to answer the "why asm" thing : because if at issue is to obtain a correct f(lisp) so as it produces the same asm as gcc(c) then we'd better have a good example of target "same asm". his approach is judicious.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544485 << it was a knee jerk http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539368 on my part. i was thinking why not write and use own high level assembly emitter, but thinking about it it would not have improved discoverability, because the task was all or nothing anyway ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 21:02 framedr_ghetto: phf: thanks for making a111 quote mkj log lines
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544461 << i already had it implemented for xref, so just needed to comment out (not (annotation-back-link-mkj-p annotation)) in the right place ☝︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/sztajnszrajber-and-things-no-seriously/ << Trilema - Sztajnszrajber and things. No, seriously.
shinohai: I'll gladly pay you next Tuesday for a kilo of blow today!
mircea_popescu: no, in a sense of course they offer credit - they don't really want to be buried in bills.
asciilifeform: pay cash upfront for a ton of cocaine.'
asciilifeform: 'As preferred customers, they often took Chapo's drugs without putting any money down, then paid the cartel only after they sold the product. This might seem unlikely, given the pervasive distrust in the underworld, but the narcotics trade is based on a robust and surprisingly reliable system of credit. In a sense, a cartel like Sinaloa has no choice but to offer a financing option, because few wholesale buyers have the liquidity to
mircea_popescu: introducing the record holder in premature ejaculation : http://66.media.tumblr.com/32bd411ad3a4103855bf42bfdae04df6/tumblr_nly8xk8XxV1u96awpo1_400.gif
mod6: thanks shinohai :]
BingoBoingo: Oh shit, I forgot to bring a cake!
mircea_popescu: wouldn't be the first guy with a great idea that then got totally beat to a pulp by trying to put it in words.
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. like lamport all you want, the piece is obnoxiously idiotic in too many places to fucking count.
asciilifeform: we know what the absence of effective 'knownothings' looks like:
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 22:29 mircea_popescu: anachronism is universally the sign of an uneducated mind - in the blogger's case because he fails to account for the obvious case that "what if the only reason nothing happened is BECAUSE those people were there then ?" ; but in the general case as displayed by lamport also. it is ridiculous to pretend to science, logic and reason, and then to turn around and tell a story of the past in the terms of "here's what's left once
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544514 << this is a point tho. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "Responding to an email message is a simple operation with a simple mathematical description." ok, i'm out. fuckhead has not the first inkling as to what he's talking about.
mircea_popescu: this corroborated with his dubious indictment of some sysadmin who didn't feel like fixing his computer 20 years ago paint the guy in pretty ugly colors.
mircea_popescu: astrology as a historical human behaviour eminently is NOT connected to ulterior developments such as astronomy, nor caused by them.
mircea_popescu: we reinterpret it strictly as an extension of the present".
mircea_popescu: anachronism is universally the sign of an uneducated mind - in the blogger's case because he fails to account for the obvious case that "what if the only reason nothing happened is BECAUSE those people were there then ?" ; but in the general case as displayed by lamport also. it is ridiculous to pretend to science, logic and reason, and then to turn around and tell a story of the past in the terms of "here's what's left once ☟︎
mircea_popescu: , the irish came and nothing bad happened.
mircea_popescu: "When you get systems that are too complicated to understand, people respond with superstition. Thousands of years ago, people didn’t understand astronomy. So superstitions arose—like praying to appease the spirits thought to be responsible for an eclipse." << this, for the record, is idiocy of the ilk of that-blogger-whats-his-name hurr-durring about how EVIDENTLY us nativism / knownothing movement was wrong because look
mircea_popescu: ^ guy just likes to paste those in for some reason ; they don't seem to carry meaning.
framedr_ghetto: btw if (tm)(r) is being used to denote those "trademark" signs (and not tmsr), it may be noted that (tm) is for an uregistered trademark and (r) is for a registered one. but i guess the reflexive-ironical use of these makes it fine :p
asciilifeform: all roads lead to sane fpga, or to perdition.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 21:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1053 << you know, making a nic is not the end of the world.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544495 << go and make even a thing that helloworlds on a pci bus, without si fab. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: In other Quora these syphilitic pussies and their love of $20 chicom firehazards https://archive.is/MMN6v
mircea_popescu: it even has the advantage of being perhaps the most feared item by lizard court, aside from nuke detonator.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 17:54 asciilifeform: consider how the thing expects real-time (1000s/sec) interrupt handling, but ALSO has 1,001 places where you must busy-wait for some register bit to flip
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1053 << you know, making a nic is not the end of the world. ☟︎
framedr_ghetto: "extract purchasing-power-sterling and get outta there" OH WAIT
mircea_popescu: oddly, i know lots of people in a1, but none of them plan to stay
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. i wouldn't wanna go there.
framedr_ghetto: mircea_popescu: glasgow. eh, i'll be outta here this month next year, i think. weather and, you know, the whole wanna-be-empire-failed-island thing..
mircea_popescu: well at least now i know who to talk to if i ever want real estate in where was this again ?
mircea_popescu: phf to answer the "why asm" thing : because if at issue is to obtain a correct f(lisp) so as it produces the same asm as gcc(c) then we'd better have a good example of target "same asm". his approach is judicious. ☟︎
framedr_ghetto: there's also a brazilian guy who keeps his dirty socks in the hallway; apparently it's a pattern and not a single instance, too
framedr_ghetto: but cleaning a flat... that's a demand too much
mircea_popescu: did they burn it ?
framedr_ghetto: wine and cold weather and joys of subletting a flat to local folk.
mircea_popescu: anyway, not the end of the world eh ? fix it tomorrow, nothing burns.
framedr_ghetto: feel like a (very shitty) nasa engineer communicating with rover on mars and not being able to debug
mircea_popescu: framedr_ghetto it's a very cheap signal of "you're drunk", which should be used to reset its state
framedr_ghetto: mircea_popescu: it rejoins if it loses connection to freenode; it tries to re-self-voice if it detects it does not have voice anymore. it does not rejoin chan if it gets kicked. will be fixed.
mircea_popescu: the place all roads lead to.
mircea_popescu: see, cause the capitol of the republic and of the entire world.
framedr_ghetto: phf: thanks for making a111 quote mkj log lines ☟︎
framedr_ghetto: i'm on a guest network with no access to server. i don't know why scriba is acting up. shall be investigated tomorrow but not before
framedr_ghetto: hah! greetings from ned territory.
mircea_popescu: hello from rome. how is the ghetto ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 17:38 asciilifeform: and ended up with a thing that, per the data sheet, ought to work, but never did.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1001 << this is a very useful sort of datapoint. didja write / are you writing an article with details ? publish the resulyting driver ? discussion ? etc ?
mod6: im gonna get me one of these xilinx boards.
mircea_popescu: curl, tail and rsa.
mircea_popescu: and seeing how the "irc" side is vaguely slated for replacement by the end of the decade ; and it should be bouncer-mediated anyway, just plaintext-net works as an "irc"
mircea_popescu: seems to me a fine definition of "working computer" is irc+rsa.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#960 << the question is not without merit. with irc and rsa one should be all set ; seeing how trinque is working to put bitcoin payments into deedbot ; the bots read lines and etc...
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 17:03 phf is finally free to go get breakfast
shinohai: afaik she failed at housewifery too
mircea_popescu: careful you don't follow covertress on the path to housewifry, jew.
mircea_popescu: so i guess that's ANOTHER F for adlai ; to celebrate his first day back to "all day ircing". ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 09:23 adlai: phf: speaking of 2nd-personality-gods, have you/rfriend ever heard of jaynes' bicameral mind theory?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#627 << you failing to read the manual doesn't make the scalar stupid or useless. F.
mircea_popescu: (male virginity, in this context, is resolved strictly through taking ownership of women and other things ; not through "having sex", especially if that's practiced as some sort of mutual play)
mircea_popescu: these aren't the same thing ; even if admittedly the virginal youth is ill equipped to see the difference.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#608 << this merely confuses (and counterproductively) the self-doubt of the intelligent virgin boy with the self-confusion of the nut.
mircea_popescu: "liberals" are insane by simple virtue of being liberals, working on the exact same orwellian rails ; and "transgender" derps by simple virtue of gender confusion. a bunch of indian peons dying in a stampede aren't insane, partly because they're too poor to be insane, partly because they're too stupid to be insane. admitting these can even be distinct.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:31 adlai: the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again, mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#588 << they're just inept. crazy discusses the subjective reflection of reality ; not much else. can die as perfectly sane inept losers. the quoted south african ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 ) is a fine example of such. you can equally well be insane, a la arthur blair. "oh, i am an english socialist, though socialsm is necessarily the end of being english, and i'm aware of t ☝︎
mircea_popescu: evidently, not all crazy requires medical support ; and often the nuts are quite subclinical. but anyway.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:25 adlai: to pick a concrete example, if that alice0meta thinks she's a dead person's tulpa, that in and of itself, doesn't make her out of touch with consensus reality, any more than some people believe in http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/the_empty_tomb/jn20_01.html
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#575 << yes, actually, it does. identity confusion is literally being crazy. it's one thing to have notions about supernatural forces which may help you through shamanism or going to church. it's another to believe you're "really" the other gender etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:23 adlai: i don't think that an ~animal~ which avoids starvation, dehydration, ostracism, and greivous bodily harm, can be counted crazy
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:20 trinque: crazy is a blunt term for "woefully inaccurate self/world model compared to others" but certainly exists.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#568 << if this were true we'd be keeping most of the us in white cells.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:16 phf: psychotic episode, later diagnosed as bipolar after ~~1 year of weekly mushroom use. split personality after one mushroom use (guy believes that the second person inside of him is god). psychotic episode after weed/lsd combination. obviously all diagnosed and hospitalized at one point or another
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#562 << fwiw there's no psychotic ouverture of bipolar. 1st case mostly sounds as usgistan "let's call it something"/ ☟︎