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asciilifeform: jurov: i wouldn't put it past him to sell a 'game console' for it at some point
asciilifeform: it also has a broad spectrum of short-term half-solutions (use minimal subset of the iron's functionality; stockpile old amd; etc)
jurov: Is mircea going to do this for eulora? I missed it.
asciilifeform: it has exactly 1 long-term solution - to make own hardware.
asciilifeform: jurov: this is 'the iron problem' and we discussed it, what, 20+ times.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 18:23 mircea_popescu: so we'll just have people run historical snapshots and that's that.
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551832 << Good luck. Just in few years, newest videocard will cease to be supported in your medieval kernel or xorg version... ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: so it's stable, and can continue indefinitely. they have not the power to change the situation at any rate.
mircea_popescu: this both satisfies the desire of github rats to feel connected to bitcoin even though they aren't ; as well as bitcoin's necessity to be rid of the "talented" young minds.
mircea_popescu: but w/e, after the total rout of the gavin forks in 2015 and the political rather than technological defeat of the summer of forks earlier last year the remaining hole - which is also not going to get plugged - is exactly in this vein (segwit is no different), where all comers are more than welcome to define magic versions, script meanings and paralel chains ; which everyone else is more than welcome to ignore.
shinohai: "We propose a soft-fork that defines a new opcode (redefining a NOP opcode) as the OP_COUNT_ACKS using the segwit script versioning system"
mircea_popescu: anyway ; like colored coins except with a different dood pretending to authorship.
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: !~later tell pete_dushenski 'no ceilings' isn't a /bad/ mixtape, on review
mircea_popescu: so girl bought "brazilian grapes". they're indescribably aptly named. colored this luscious black, like a brazilian chick's tone ; big, and round, and tough and sweet.
PeterL: I think she knows that one already
mircea_popescu: did you ask her the sphinx's challenge ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL has this decided "kids interests" streak in him. he knows all the shit 12yos are liable to find cool.
PeterL: what is the difference between a zippo and a hippo? One is very heavy and the other is a little lighter!
mircea_popescu: think of starting a wood fire. "many trunks in the forest, including mine and friends' i saw, had zippo lighter approached to trunk - nothing happened"
mircea_popescu: as that pacino character aptly points out, "i'm chippin'"
mircea_popescu: well, opium adiction is very slow. you need to actually get addicted.
asciilifeform: so - hypothesis is that you need the 'opium den' >
mircea_popescu: it was safe mostly \because lacking the social context.
mircea_popescu: we are discussing very unlikely situations here. back when i was a kid, codeine as a phosophorous salt was the child cough remedy ; i took plenty ; so did other kids. did ~nothing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (consider, perhaps most adults in industrialized countries - and elsewhere - have at one point taken an opiate, but how many became morphinists ? )
mircea_popescu: but yes, humanity being what it is - this isn't a complete solution. given a large enough population, you'll find individuals capable to survive anything ; hiv even has innate immunity believe it or noit.
mircea_popescu: he mostly studied men. there's a marked difference between the genders.
asciilifeform: most folks off the street, if given whatever dope you like, will not - apparently - take to it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: one of the interesting recurring motifs in dalrymple (british dude who worked for decades as prison doctor) re addicts is that they are not 'could be just anybody' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: surely. dope is still the best way to open up china for "trade" ; as it is the best way to get that snotty chick with "plans for the future" open for... hm. "partying".
asciilifeform: quite conceivably dope is a beneficial thing, by this light, if it helps folks who are candidates for BingoBoingo's 'scooty' photos to die (relatively) cheaply, and quickly, rather than slowly and expensively decades later
mircea_popescu: if you're willing to die tomorrow you can have five pounds of your choice of dusts, seeing how yo ugo rob a bank.
mircea_popescu: and the beauty is, the only true boundry on the $costofdopehabit is the ceiling on t.
mircea_popescu: addiction limits that t very narrowly closer to inf. if you get her started in college she'll die before her tits sag if we're talking eg meth.
asciilifeform: doesn't their lim($marketvalue - $costofdopehabit) ---> -inf as t--->+inf though ?
mircea_popescu: specifically, that male self-hate tends to reject the world (which is what "i hit rock bottom" always is - it is insanity to imagine the addict understands the world in your terms, and "Has seen reason" ; no such thing, he just activated a peculiar, and reasonably well understood, psychological process. no rationality involved) whereas in females tends to reject the self.
mircea_popescu: there's some biological factors to account for this, both directly (shittier metabolism ; stronger response to neurotransmitters ; the venereal 50/5 trap etc) and indirect (through the workings of sexuate reproduction women are always vandable) ; but i'm pretty sure there's also psychological factors involved. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but death, generally, takes work.
asciilifeform: (but not living in their company, i have deeply nfi.)
mircea_popescu: womne almost never hit rock bottom. this is almost entirely a male phenomenon.
asciilifeform: dunno that 'rock bottom' folks still have the 'can quit anytime!111' notion
mircea_popescu: much like hillary, she thinks it merely enhances her life and she could quit at any time, if the balance turned -ev
asciilifeform: the toilet chick from mircea_popescu's photo earlier -- has substantial edge over these folks. she at least ~knows~ that she is hooked on dope.
mircea_popescu: (note that the ~only punishment described is... having to leave "the country". as if not smelling the fucking farts of ustards is the worst fate.)
mircea_popescu: "protecting esper l3 comms from terrorists who don't understand how demolished world works."
mircea_popescu: it's literally what hillary clinton thought she was doing with her derpy email server. and still thinks this.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the demolished man is an excellent piece, inasmuch as it's pretty much an exact description of both the ideal as well as the practical implementation of "modern democracy, civilised & globalized" as teh bureaucrats perceive it.
asciilifeform: (does it even make sense to ask exchange rate of zloty in '42? currency of defunct crown)
asciilifeform: and what was that, anyway, in white man's money..?
mircea_popescu: vaguely related, it turns out that the per capita price for polish children cca 1942 was 25 zloty.
mircea_popescu: there are some drugs you don't win the war on.
mircea_popescu: shall be their undoing.
mircea_popescu: i suppose not enough faux "women in tech" to satisfy teh libtards.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pg & co. are kind enough to mark '[FLAGGED]' when they hand-delete one's post on their thing (visible only to the user)
ben_vulpes: and in today's "shooop or nooot?" http://66.media.tumblr.com/cf3b2fcaa400b04c14aa2deea94c98a7/tumblr_oegpvpBf541qjjis9o1_1280.jpg
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a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 18:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161003/#340 << yes. as we speak diana_coman is busy at work making snapsnots of linuxen. because it's obvious from practice that the way this goes is "i can't install eulora on linux" "we tested this" "but i can't". then upon extensive and expensive research it turns out... THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING DISTRO. breaking software. because why not.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551829 << i run into 1,001 instances of this whenever trying to build nearly ANYTHING i-didn't-write-myself from source. ☝︎
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1862 << Loper OS - Still Tenser, Said the Censor.
PeterL: I guess there is something to be said for not doing everything at once, makes it easier to understand
PeterL: so I am working on porting the parachute scripts to python, does this look better as multiple or single line? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/z1jyt/?raw=true
trinque: Framedragger: I can help you fix that python error; ping me when available. ☟︎
shinohai: Well I certainly learned the merits of preserving an older gcc this weekend
asciilifeform: ( what ELSE do you really need, on top of kernel+shell+gcc, to count as 'a linux' ? 'xpenguins' ?! )
asciilifeform: (if you add a kernel and busybox to mod6's config, you get a linux.)
mircea_popescu: if anyone is inclined to maintain forks of any linux distro (much in the manner of trb - to clean, not to "support"/utf/systemd/etc) we can prolly work something out. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: not that i'm claiming to understand what the machine is doing.
ben_vulpes: this gulf between computers as toys and computers as devices to be used by people who can patch, understand what the machine is doing stretches wider every day.
ben_vulpes: "year of the linux desktop!"
mircea_popescu: so we'll just have people run historical snapshots and that's that. ☟︎
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mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161003/#340 << yes. as we speak diana_coman is busy at work making snapsnots of linuxen. because it's obvious from practice that the way this goes is "i can't install eulora on linux" "we tested this" "but i can't". then upon extensive and expensive research it turns out... THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING DISTRO. breaking software. because why not. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (whole thing worth reading.)
asciilifeform: ons subsystem he designed beams back "hello world" after an almost-aborted launch, a navigation jet which misfired, and the solar panels sustained some damage by space debris. normally, it's unnecessary to have confirmations of basic operations, but it makes perfect sense under C.'
asciilifeform: 'it's appropriate to make a machine print "hello world" to verify that everything works after all the mind-boggling nonsense has interfered with the real purpose of a computer, and you never know which part of booting up will fail due to a minor bug. the delight in a C programmer's eyes when his machine thus booted typed "hello world" back at him would probably parallel that of a Common Lisp programmer when the satellite communicati
asciilifeform: there does not exist such a thing as 'a c program', even the schoolbook 'hello world' relies on a megatonne of os crapola simply to load and produce human-readable out.
asciilifeform: arguably more different than nintendo vs x86.
asciilifeform: (some new, or removed, 'optimization' that gives exploitable overflow in this or that.)
asciilifeform: otherwise one day you discover 'surprise', gcc6 or whatever won't build trb, or worse, builds-with-boojum
asciilifeform: for so long as you are still using traditional trb, you are stuck with some variant of this.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 15:33 asciilifeform: think 'old version.' if there existed a medieval gcc, i'd at least consider it.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551637 << we're going to end up with frozen gcc, lynx, sbcl at this rate ☝︎
asciilifeform: so, if we said 'this here x86-64 asm is canonical bignumatron', it will be quite useless to phf with his armhf box, or whatnot.
asciilifeform: but C remains popular not merely because 'c compiler is the first thing to be ported to any new iron' but also because it is 'lowest common denominator.'
asciilifeform: e.g., anything pertaining to bignums - as hopefully is abundantly clear from the example.
asciilifeform: as per the immediately previous thread, some operations are actually SIMPLER, conceptually, to express in x86 asm than in c !
asciilifeform: now also, the effect of 'babelization' is instructively pertinent.
asciilifeform: but in all cases the idiocy is cumulative.
asciilifeform: now ~how much retardation to create himself~ is often within his control, and sometimes he can manage a 0
asciilifeform: thing is, 'right way to do things' is not in practice available to engineer, who always and ~without exception labours inside a cage made of his predecessors' retardation.
mircea_popescu: there's a fucking right way to do things, and this arbitrary "i shall now be a becoming actress" ain't it.
mircea_popescu: how is it that the republic can do just fine progressing at the clip of its own progress, no faster than that, nor slower ; and that while we don't specifically wnat to "do things" or set goals, nevertheless we do things and achieve (other people's) goals ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i'm not eating fucking turnip pie.
asciilifeform: possibly also with only turnip.
mircea_popescu: if all you got is turnip beat the women to death.
asciilifeform: then menu is a) turnip b) dirt.
asciilifeform: well if all you got is turnip.
mircea_popescu: "i will now make apple pie out of turnips, because here in new york all we have is turnips. mmmmm delicious apple pie, new-york style. the angel morni told me so!"
mircea_popescu: as if that's the fucking criteria, what you know.