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mircea_popescu: this is a) not flight and b) not electric.

phf: a plus of this approach is that asciilifeform will be able to live out his boat life fantasy

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, small & thereby entirely undetectable surfaceboat (like the us army troop transporters, back in the day there was such a thing as an us army or troops) would prolly work perfectly well.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:19 asciilifeform: if new vtron allows mechanical preservation of ~continuity~ , i.e. i can determine mechanically that a reground tree is in fact same as the old but-for-the-hashes, then all is ok. but if not, this'd be essentially same as throwing past 3rs of historicity away.

BingoBoingo: Apparently there was a cheque in the card

mircea_popescu: what, granma used to hbe a gun moll, put a benjie in the card ?

a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I am still waiting on a birthday card from February sent through the post

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: also plox to clarify, at this point is the disk crate a total loss ? Will hopefully find out by Friday or Monday.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:11 asciilifeform: betcha if i'd mailed'em wrapped in old newspaper in a standard letter envelope, you'd already have'em, and we could be fiddybux richer.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also plox to clarify, at this point is the disk crate a total loss ?

a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 03:11 Mocky: construction workers for their 2022 world cup stadii firmly in gulag, unpaid for year+, dying at a rate of 1 every 2 days, according to The Guardian ~2014

phf: as BingoBoingo continues living in orcland and his subtle mannerisms lose the imperial edge the locals no longer perceive him as a white sahib, soon attempt to "back to work, nigger" him

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i admit i was surprised to have been able to mail ~anyffing~ there, knew there gotta be a catch

mircea_popescu: provided of course personas fisicas de republica oriental can receive more than 2 packets a year.

phf: i believe this might be a groundhog day thread

mircea_popescu: imo we're getting close to a golden standard udp tester.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd be entirely satisfied if it were a separate util, that came 'with' vtron, also.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 13:14 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i'd do the size shuffle, is to use a kindergarten prng (e.g. mersenne) for repeatable sequence, and put ~in~ the packets, a serial num. then simply record what comes out.

mircea_popescu: why would i have baked into vtron something that a) is unlikely to ever be used again, past this year and b) works much better in bash anyway and is rather trivial to do

mircea_popescu: but the point is : given a sha tree, the operator thereby produces the keccak tree, and then the tool verifies these are the same, and there you go.

mircea_popescu: phf i honestly thought ~everyone with half hour's interest does have the ~same dozen lines of bash, and so neve rsaid a word of it. i dunno why he doesn't.

phf: mircea_popescu: i have a set of tools like that on top of vpatch/vdiff, but they are entirely expressable as a 5-10 line shell scripts, and their variety is multitude "convert this sha set to keccak set" "see if these two sets press to same" "press all the intermediate states into separate folders" etc. etc. but i think what he's trying to get is a tool that will say "these keccaks are same as these shas so you don't have to reread"

asciilifeform: and can produce a keccak tree from a sha tree, with the exception of the seals, in such a way that i can be assured that i'm signing same material.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you're saying this compare should be a flag in vtron, whereby it takes a sha and a keccak tree and spits out yes/no ?

asciilifeform: a new operator ( no , i dun think we've seen the last of new sane folx, tho mircea_popescu may disagree ) oughta be in possession of the complete kit when he sets up his vtron.

mircea_popescu: this is conceivably a useful tool, but imo not properly thought of as "vtron".

phf: mircea_popescu: no i think he's saying "try to hash in both formats and then make a guess if one of the formats succeed"

a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.

asciilifeform: i'ma let phf clarify, otherwise it'll have to wait until i have a free hand and read his item properly, might be coupla days

mircea_popescu: i currently dun know a pill for this ; but no new extensions, it's a terrible move.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851574 << there was a whole thread about wtf, stop with the sha already, yes. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, which means the next task is finding someone in DHL who can understand that. That I am a BUSINESS, man.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude, this is for their local morons. you're not a local.

asciilifeform: resulting chimera is neither fish nor fowl, has all of the 'self-blessing' cocksureness of a general, and ~none of the technical ability of the old engineer, and somehow asked to fill in for both

asciilifeform: for n00bz, sniper has naked eyes + his scope thing, shows a coupla of degrees of far-away place, head-sized; spotter has naked eyes + telescope and isn't holding 8kg of hand cannon, can move around a bit moar

mircea_popescu: there was never a time ingenuity, specifically as this almost-endearing-often-infuriating-wilful-blindness was never part of the term.

asciilifeform: i suspect if baking were an affair where ~erry~ yeast cell gotta agree, or nuffin happens , or at the very least a horror in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703881 , would resemble the engineer's toil ☝︎

mircea_popescu: and this at a time when the major problem of the french was the resurection of socrates' daimon, "the genius in things"

mircea_popescu: we talk about a pain. i go in with one idea, he examines and has a different idea. the quality of his examination is such that i yield in the process, and gladly. look that indeed, clinical practice does something, it's evident he's got a better scent than i had.

mircea_popescu: understand how professional medicine is : i am myself, and this fellow is a most eminent specialist in his field, with decades of practice in the us, and in his entire being as perfectly intellectually respectable as i could ever ask for.

mircea_popescu: meh, wolverhampton is actually in the midlands. whatever, switch in london and edinburgh, the point is -- one always has a further mind into which to retreat & even nobler suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.

mircea_popescu: "no TRUE scotsman would do such a thing".

mircea_popescu: "no scotman would do such a thing"

mircea_popescu: nicoleci in the classical formulation, at a time when scottish-english rivalry was a poignant affair, respectable middleclass scot was depicted sitting in his tea chair with the newspaper, and reading about a linconlshire rapist and murderer

nicoleci: may i also point out that its a very engineer thing to say, actual engineer

asciilifeform: it's the tightest cage short of, idk, a vt100

nicoleci: and suffering i am using a chromebook of all things..

nicoleci: mircea_popescu: sure i will do so, thats a good suggestion.

asciilifeform: not without a working time machine, right

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd say this formulation describes bureaucrat, not engineer, but yes i am aware that they've recently hybridized into a strange mule species, bureau-engineer

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, it's not exactly a rare thing unfortunately

mircea_popescu: nicoleci PeterL has a point : start adding a log link to the summary lines, so people can look further if they want.

asciilifeform: i'd give a morse key.

asciilifeform: at least give the poor critter a rs232 SLIP!111

mircea_popescu: nah, put her in a cage that just dun have cat5

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform normally ; her key machine is currently without a working nic because no cable and no working wifi.

PeterL: it would be much more useful if the summary included a link to the relevant part of the log, so that if an item is of interest one could read more detail

diana_coman: tbh if I were to critique her summaries I'd start pretty much from same point as with the 5yo i.e. the way they are know they read as if she doesn't actually have any idea what those terms she uses there mean even at a basic level and she doesn't even flag them as such (i.e. "hey, this afiejif wtf is it???"); to the extent that it all ends up as mechanical re-phrasing, it's quite stupid

mircea_popescu: yes, the group is yet small enough and cohesive enough we can just do a deed and stuff.

asciilifeform: PeterL: as i currently understand : yes. but ideally this simple mechanism would be in the tool, rather than a http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html - style shell hack.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a great experiment, and imho entirely possible that the horse will eventually learn to sing.

mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol. ☟︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: i dun see a problem with criticism, but it gotta be criticism. it gotta critique. "this, specifically ~this~ is wrong" "that, exactly that, is missing". something.

mircea_popescu: this isn't going to become a monthly cycle, is it ? "i don't like this vtree" "do you have a patch ?" "no, i just don't like it" "well... come back with a patch"

a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 16:51 mircea_popescu: also, a) gotta start somewhere ; b) she's not working to impress you, she's working to impress me, meaning your only productive stance is "not like that, like ~this~" rather than "your work doesn't make the cut".

asciilifeform: i did not say anyffing re 'trinque is upgrading to 486DX2 for alf', but it prolly merits a mention also.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 14:42 mod6: Before we embark on an entire regrind of the trb-vtree to use keccac, I think we just need a major release version of a "defacto" vtron that supports both SHA512 (for other legacy projects) and keccac. Sounds like phf's might fit the bill, but want to ensure that when the Foundation tackles this problem, it's on very stable footing.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do me a favour and cut out my orig postage addr before handing these to orcs

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I am still waiting on a birthday card from February sent through the post ☟︎

asciilifeform: if new vtron allows mechanical preservation of ~continuity~ , i.e. i can determine mechanically that a reground tree is in fact same as the old but-for-the-hashes, then all is ok. but if not, this'd be essentially same as throwing past 3rs of historicity away. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: betcha if i'd mailed'em wrapped in old newspaper in a standard letter envelope, you'd already have'em, and we could be fiddybux richer. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: I was under the impression that there is a limit of 3 tax free imports under $200, which should not be relevant considering there's an import deposit

mod6: Before we embark on an entire regrind of the trb-vtree to use keccac, I think we just need a major release version of a "defacto" vtron that supports both SHA512 (for other legacy projects) and keccac. Sounds like phf's might fit the bill, but want to ensure that when the Foundation tackles this problem, it's on very stable footing. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i also suspect that results will differ when 1 box is behind a konsoomer nat thing, vs. when both ends are 'adult' (naked ipv4)

diana_coman: not a bad idea at all; at it's simplest I was thinking simply serial numbering the payloads and logging on both sides since putting together the 2 logs afterwards is straightforward, 1-line thing

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i'd do the size shuffle, is to use a kindergarten prng (e.g. mersenne) for repeatable sequence, and put ~in~ the packets, a serial num. then simply record what comes out. ☟︎

asciilifeform: can simply replace the bool param with a 'actualsize' one, for experiment

diana_coman: if you have a better idea, please expand

asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's a caveat tho

asciilifeform: would also like to have (but afaik we dun have?) a mechanical converter from old to new, so that all i gotta do is re-seal

asciilifeform: btw do we have a full spec for the new form posted somewhere ?

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I know that pain, honestly; I still trip over this change and I wouldn't even say that I have as convenient a workflow with new tooling as I had with old

a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 23:15 phf: considering the slow adoption of the keccak approach and also a large number of existing sha512 patches, i'm planning on doing a regrind where i merge the keccak and the sha branches together, so that vpatch/vdiff can produce both hashes on a switch, until further notice.

diana_coman: I wouldn't expect there is such a thread, no; at any rate, last discussion on this I think starts here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832406 ☝︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: and if there was a moment in the l0gz where mircea_popescu proclaimed 'hey this is out of beta, errybody plox to retire the classical vtrons' -- i missed it? plox to link.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, since your udp genesis is using the sha hashes + a "history" file I'm not sure: do you have something against the move to keccak + standard manifest file for v-trees?

Mocky: if you're a woman who wants an arab man, qatar is the shit. step up on your pedestal and take your pick

Mocky: construction workers for their 2022 world cup stadii firmly in gulag, unpaid for year+, dying at a rate of 1 every 2 days, according to The Guardian ~2014 ☟︎

asciilifeform: aa, nobody gets out till they mop the requisite # of floors to pay back their master for shipping'em in , a la dubai, then

Mocky: seems like whole service industry is such a gulag for 1) indians 2) pakis 3) filipinos

asciilifeform: interesting. do they also have a gulag where you work off said dime ?

Mocky: or if bank says you owe a dime, can't leave. no time limit

asciilifeform: it's a pretty good proxy for 'is this place northkr yet'

Mocky: i'm a noob to international travel, but the whole exit visa thing seems super sketchy to me

asciilifeform: Mocky: way back ? i thought yours was a 1way

Mocky: where's a niqab when you need one

asciilifeform: it is difficult imho to picture a d00d with working cock having been involved in the auditions for this harem.

asciilifeform: or possib this was one of those degenerate harems that morphed into a sort of harvard, i.e. institution that popped its tether to whatever original ground it stood on

asciilifeform: i have nfi how this passed 'qa' for 'harem'. but i suppose 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'