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mircea_popescu: see, you lose. i "have a history" of rape and
terrorism. 1-0.
mircea_popescu: the "value" is
that it has nothing
to say ; from a certain perspective
this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still believe it's "no matter what happens, wow will not
tell me anything about myself."
mircea_popescu: i suppose
the intimate history of red radicalism is only familiar
to dedicated entomologists.
mircea_popescu: but it is reassuring
to see
that a century later,
the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger objection against
the "we'll do a cicada
thing".
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:53 mircea_popescu:
the attractor is
the futility.
the plain and unescapable certainty
that if
they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating
themselves" isn't just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs
the deepest recesses of subconscious
thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens
then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job"
trinque: this idea of marketing with some bait and switch proceeds directly
to a bunch of "fuck you, I'm just here
to ..."
trinque: this cute glib
thing jurov was doing earlier, stop.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: objection against current republic outlook, or objection against being all snore-ful and despiseful while at
the same
time grumbling about republican efforts being slow and
the republic being poor? :)
mircea_popescu: do you understand
the objection
though, or is it just so much nonsense ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm off home from work. will
try
to formulate sth constructive later
mircea_popescu: Framedragger woulja care
to go into detail or is it
too depressing ?
Framedragger: good luck with
the whole recruiting
thing. /sad
mircea_popescu: and no, it requires no skill, it requires a specific representation
to be believably made.
that "nothing will happen". i can't make
that, nor do i wish
to (these
two are related).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's
the excuse du jour for
the contemporaneous pothead.
the gwern,
the guy who "really believed in wikipedia",
the guy who "really believed in
ted
talks" and "fucking loved sicence" and so on.
the kid who is "investigating child pornizzerias in wash dc" via 4chan and "visual
thinking"
Framedragger: asciilifeform: marketing all of
that requires a different skillset from being able
to formulate puzzles,
tho
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: i've seen attempts
to post on bitcointalk, with
the psychological safety of knowing
that if it fails, "well it's shitty redditard forums anyway, who cares"
mircea_popescu: but
tmsr will never do something like
the cicada challenge.
Framedragger: so if
tmsr did something like
that cicada challenge, with a properly formulated marketing strategy, maybe motivated people would
turn up. i haven't seen an honest marketing attempt by republican folk, but
then, i've probably not seen enough.
mircea_popescu: so yes - more friction,
the republic is all about "if you succeed
things happen".
this is poisonous,
to
the modern mind.
mircea_popescu: or just why intelligent motivated person looks for way
to cicada rather
than way
to blow up
the new york
times building/
mircea_popescu: the attractor is
the futility.
the plain and unescapable certainty
that if
they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating
themselves" isn't just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs
the deepest recesses of subconscious
thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens
then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job"
☟︎ Framedragger: there, as in say, in
the challenge in question? i would imagine, curiosity, and a deeper need
to do something smart and meaningful, and hoping
that
the people organizing
this give such an opportunity. and folx are willing
to spend many hours pursuing
that.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger do you know what motivates
them
there, principally ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not
terribly optimistic of
that "healthy attachment" in
the general form.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how would anyone ever argue in favour of
the foss delusion.
the data's pretty clear.
mircea_popescu: and yes - very similar with bitcointalk eulora
thing also. imagine
this, MILLIONS of fly eyes, not a single one was capable of figuring out stuff explained plainly in documentation and coversation. but a few
tried
to defraud.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the
thing with
the posters was simply "feed
the artist while also doing something".
that something happened
to be "check
this guy's claims". very similar, come
to
think about it,
to
this usecase here with fiverr.
Framedragger: ...instead of, say, looking for intelligent motivated folk? not
that i know how
to do
the latter. /me interrupts
mircea_popescu: the republic lives off
tooling and infrastructure, and what is
tooling and infrastructure develops out of you know, lived life. as a matter of necessity
this can't be aforestated in its entirety.
a111: Logged on 2014-06-02 18:30 mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible
to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with
the subgroup,
their ownership being strictly assumed and
their lives strictly subsumed by
the corporations competent at dealing with
the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets,
the government. Both as employers and providers
these specialised bureaucracies have
the necessary
tools, including cattle prods (or what
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. bdsm board, sure it could be,
the latter, as i understood it, would be a general e2e encrypted forum board (permanent post) solution with signatures etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there's little doubt in my mind
that
this particular "problem" (more properly class of problems, likely) is ill posed.
mircea_popescu: so you know, "why aren't
there monkeys on
this planet ?" "well, partly because life is hard, and partly because
there's not yet
the livers sufficiently advanced
to support a monkey's lifestyle"
mircea_popescu: there's on
top of
that also
the question of
tooling. consider : had i pushed hard on
this
three years ago when it first came around (and pankake
tried
to make it) we'd have ended up with non-v software.
that'd have sucked ; but at
the
time i didn't know what exactly v is.
trinque brings a solid related point : infrastructure. just like
tooling.
Framedragger: unless you deem pgp key in
this instance
to also be an 'account/
Framedragger: pgp keys? not
that
this constitutes an entire solution
trinque: this morning's conversation has me
thinking over how
to do
this without accounts
☟︎ trinque: the payments
thinger shall have a way of invoicing someone
trinque is
toiling on
this very one
mircea_popescu: so, why doesn't $item exist ? because
the $guy
that's a) intelligent enough
to do it and b) dedicated enough
to
toil
through however long it
takes
to get $item off ground hasn'rt come forward yet.
mircea_popescu: the long story is like
this :
that
the world is made of friction.
this is necessarily, and evident from
the fact
that it's still here (if self-limitation wasn't a default property of all
things,
the world would have long exploded). meanwhile
the republic is made of few people, and also evident from definition - selective means minority. now add
these
things
together : every project suffers from low power and high friction.
Framedragger: i guess could be done manually for small (< $dumbars_n) webs of
trust. with billing
templates / gpg contracts, etc.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: curious - harder in
terms of management, or in
terms of
technical implementation, or combination
thereof?
mircea_popescu: we were also going
to have a republican
this, so all my expenditure would be used reflectively
to strengthen us, rather
than you know, support ineptly named items not run by wot people.
Framedragger: well,
to be fair, 1)
the system shows people's portfolios and reviews etc, and 2) you can set a project price,
the whole 'hourly billing' is only one of
the options
mircea_popescu is not
terribly keen on
this "by
the hour"
thing, it gives
the wrong incentives.
mircea_popescu: there was an episode but i
think from before your
time when i even
tried
to support blender. it blew up spectacularily.
mircea_popescu: doing
this as such is slated, for a little later. but since i was on fiverr anyway from
the article, well...
Framedragger: heh, maybe
the "confusing blender UI [at first, anyway]" filter is a filter after all :P
mircea_popescu: anyway,
there's even a blenderartists
thing, which supposedly is actually good.
Framedragger: i don't want
to argue regarding
the general structural hopelessness of
the web because you will win
that argument / i agree with you :)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
there's a reason
the web keeps right on failing.
mircea_popescu: just like anything but a basebat whack
to
the crying kid is a bad move. and certainyl giving him sugar packets for crying is not any sort of solution.
mircea_popescu: accounts won't fix
that. in fact, ENTERTAINING
the stupidity,
to any degree, is not only not fixing it, but outright causing it.
mircea_popescu: because
they won't as much as fucking read
the
text, you understand, and
then come back with "what is
the problem friend".
mircea_popescu: some guy asked for 500. his avatar was a (bad) section of a civil engineering project in cad ; and he assured me
that he has experience and can build any housing
to my specification.
Framedragger: if it was mostly entomological
though,
then not relevant i guess.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don't know just how interested you are
to find inexpensive modellers etc, but just fyi peopleperhour.com may produce...better results. (but yeah, not for five bux.)
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in between
the deluge of spam and
the enforced, deliberately, impossiblity of memory, you get... well you get "hi i can regge" basically.
mircea_popescu: they delete your message box, aggressively. like - less
than weekly. INCLUDING "starred" messages, because hey, UX, user-friendly etc does NOT include
the needs of non-mentally-amoeba, or
their expectations. you're more
than welcome
to
take your interface expectation of "system will not delete what i starred" and shove it -
the expectations
that matter are "uuuu shinyyyy"
mircea_popescu: that site incidentally is entirely constructed on stupid.
the likeliness of
their advertising open work orders (called "requests") is inverse
to...
the number of already present offers. counted. as such. except obviously
the posts are mostly spam.
mircea_popescu: no, see,
that's
the problem -
the mantra is make
things EASY.