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mircea_popescu: exactly re <asciilifeform> ( who recalls the mircea_popescu tabs-spaces thread... )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like breaking things when something is gained thereby.

asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised that mircea_popescu hasn't yet thought of , e.g., anathemizing ascii in favour of own, arbitrary arrangement of alphabet, strictly for incompatibility's sake; or to proclaim the 17-bit byte...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz expand then ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is only meaningful concept if whole machine.

asciilifeform: ( who recalls the mircea_popescu tabs-spaces thread... )

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:57 mircea_popescu: phf the correct approach to this is pre-diff filtering masks.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: and yes, the original holder threads were never meaningfully revisited. this is a 10yo suture wound with the first silks still attached.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754329 << ben_vulpes had pretty good likbez, http://cascadianhacker.com/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread ☝︎

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah, I suspect it's sloppiness, "but it's same thing"

a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:37 mircea_popescu: fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.

diana_coman: and in more recent lol-with-gpg: the primegen function in gpg allocates secure memory for candidate prime when generating for rsa BUT then it goes on and calls is_prime on that "n" and is_prime calculates and stores n-1 in ...insecure memory ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 03:52 mircea_popescu does his usual s%\n\n%\r\r% s%\n% % s%\r\r%\n\n% while muttering underbreath about the idiocy of fucktards who STILL DON'T UNDERTAND NEWLINE STANDS FOR NEW PARAGRAPH!!11

asciilifeform: lol shinohai , will confess, asciilifeform never once met diana_coman

shinohai: Is it just coincidence that asciilifeform pets succubus and diana_coman enters, or ..... ?

asciilifeform: i also wonder whether gabriel_laddel ever considered vegas. it has slightly better odds than sv nonsense, and with fewer pounds of flesh required as table stake

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:23 phf: perhaps we can get g_l to move there

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754215 << there's always a better path through history with retrospective power.

asciilifeform: ( and i concede the point to mircea_popescu , boat prolly does not work for the contemplated use , in the general case )

asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu quickly figured out, asciilifeform's interest in boats is of a very peculiar kind, and not simply because he likes water.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754172 << why not ? great boating area, either you or girl ever saw uruguay ?

phf: perhaps we can get g_l to move there ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 06:18 mircea_popescu: but yes, this comes with the necessity of considering eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 as "a coin has been minted" ; i don't see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753931 as anything other than an abstract rendering of the exact practical reality

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 06:10 mircea_popescu: 12k is almost human

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 05:56 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am very curious in how you figure initial distribution might work

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:37 mircea_popescu is thinking of actually starting a chivalry order.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 19:42 mircea_popescu: phf are you amenable to re-writing diff btw ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 is going to happen later this year, and v-immutability is a pita.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes look into teh whole medieval history. two salient points : a) "honor", especially "why would it be said that the enchroaching of king into chivalry through pretense of fons honorum actually destroyed it" ; b) tenement, especially in the sense of subinfeudation.

a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 01:10 mircea_popescu: it'd be literally a measure of social intercourse

asciilifeform: btw iirc we had a mechanical clock collector d00d... pete_dushenski ?

asciilifeform: i have nuffin against mircea_popescu's beingimpressed.

jhvh1: asciilifeform: Xilinx DS065 XC9572 In-system Programmable CPLD Data Sheet: <https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/data_sheets/ds065.pdf>; XC9572 -15PQG100C Xilinx Inc. | Integrated Circuits (ICs) | DigiKey: <https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/xilinx-inc/XC9572-15PQG100C/122-1445-ND/966626>; XC9572 -15PC44I Xilinx Inc. | Integrated Circuits (ICs) | DigiKey: (1 more message)

asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu already observed.

asciilifeform: and yes mircea_popescu this item is an attempt at the unified theory, rather than proposal for concrete cointron.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't cleat to me that wot isn't the troo solution to time. e.g. 'i'ma follow the multiverse mircea_popescu picks, and fuck everyone'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'don't be in a cave' is not solution ?

asciilifeform: so i'ma borrow mircea_popescu's orig argument, 'dont ever be isolatednode'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your picture seems to be a variant of the 'isolated node' argument. except nao with the sides reversed

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 02:08 phf: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway)

asciilifeform: but entirely possible that it was in my blind spot. so i'ma leave this here, and make moar detailed sketch if mircea_popescu asks , later.

asciilifeform: upstack re pow item : i'ma leave an observation for mircea_popescu ( and others, but he's prolly the one to crack this nut properly ) . consider how in classical bitcoin , pow is used for 2 entirely different and quite orthogonal items : initialcoindistribution, and rewindprotection (i.e. preventing history-rewriting) . it's a bulldog-rhinoceros. so q is, suppose that coin distribution somehow took place at t==0. do you still need po

phf: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway) ☟︎

asciilifeform: it uses an algo from an ancient mircea_popescu thread

a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con

asciilifeform: ( sucks for the reason, incidentally, that mircea_popescu already fingered , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745524 and elsewhere ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: humour me, how wouldja turn this into a pow

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider how phuctor decided which numbers are 'completely' phuctored , to begin with

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 22:30 mircea_popescu: http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/src/aks_gmp.html << supposed c++ impl ; though i have nfi who gallot fellow is.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only 1 that might fit the shape of this item is the german 'research key' one

mircea_popescu: yes. if you want you cal look up tje log for ben_vulpes ' item or else write your own in cl and compare after.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes had something resembling a CL one

esthlos: mircea_popescu: right now I'm most comfortable in scheme, but I want to change that to common lisp

mircea_popescu: diana_coman right right. 12 was our update.

esthlos: mircea_popescu: alright. I've been thinking of writing a v implementation following http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 22:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, m-r as found in gpg, with its "12" that are really 11 witnesses is worthlessly useless.

asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu was asking for other-than-ch1-3 ?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 22:20 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna implement agrawal-kayal-saxena ? esthlos ? apeloyee ?

esthlos: mircea_popescu: is there a preference on how I compute totient?

mircea_popescu: http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/src/aks_gmp.html << supposed c++ impl ; though i have nfi who gallot fellow is. ☟︎

esthlos: diana_coman: thanks

esthlos: mircea_popescu: if I can. what is it?

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think this might be worth made into a knob in the code explicitly

mircea_popescu: diana_coman should prolly add a comment in there pointing out to people who are making keys for serious use that 1e-10 is really not nearly good enough.

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4^-16 = 2.3283064365386963E-10

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4^-12 = 5.9604644775390625E-8

phf: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch3_shifts in press order you can see all the mentioned sigs included

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:34 mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh i understand this, i also understand how fist fits in cunt doesn't mean i'm not entertained from time to time with the concrete item

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't understand how self-determination works!!1

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is why artificial intelligence will never be able to compete with the genuine article.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin but the critter's own word!11

asciilifeform: i r disappoint, i thought this was a jaguar , that mircea_popescu taught to use a keyboard

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (18775.0230839/15)**(1/6) = 3.282828562886639

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am hard pressed to think of any kind of tradesman ( outside of, i suppose, walmart gulag ) who has ~less~ to show for his years, than the typical tech d00d

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not hotels, the hostel.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things : << AHA the poor hostel staff

a111: Logged on 2014-11-14 21:02 asciilifeform: http://home.engineering.iastate.edu/~alexs/classes/2011_Spring_585X/readings/02_Principles/AI_Meets_Natural_Stupidity.pdf

phf: mircea_popescu: is that by way of esthlos's squeak/croquet links?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subtitles

asciilifeform: no moar crapple in castle ben_vulpestein ?!

phf: but also mircea_popescu's assessment is correct, i'm tampering myself before i face the insides of difftools

a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read

asciilifeform: therw was a similar piece by mircea_popescu re some d00d who tried to lie his way into 'manager' work

a111: 13 results for "from:mircea_popescu samovar", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea_popescu%20samovar

asciilifeform: !#s from:mircea_popescu samovar

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: contest of strongest horse in glue factory ?

a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.

asciilifeform: so i take it mircea_popescu leans to 'physics stuck in a ditch post-ww2 and after that inevitably ceremonial and staffed by priests' ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'software' ain't a thing

esthlos: whoops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theorem

esthlos: mircea_popescu: more like infinite solutions, so choosing any single solution is arbitrary. just like the feynman path integral. its thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theoremhis problem in a larger context:

esthlos: mircea_popescu: its almost a joke of the universe that 4d manifolds are almost impossible to classify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_manifolds#Dimension_4:_exotic

esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's summary is entirely troo, naggum's item was about time ~units~, zones, seasons. rather than physical concept.