asciilifeform: one could possibly argue re: the chinese - but people at the 'afghanistan' stage of 'civilopaedia' need a wot in just the same way that a bird needs airplane
asciilifeform: this is also applicable, in theory, to any other people who would simply hammer a wot, were they to build one, to copy exactly their existing hierarchies
asciilifeform: (as noise were it merged into theirs)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they)
asciilifeform: if pumped through 'google translate' - all bets are off
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Вместо статуй будут урны - Революции культурной.' -- vysotsky's song about chicoms☟︎
asciilifeform: punkman: don't have the older finds handy, but i'll take a look at some point
asciilifeform: china is imho the one likely candidate for the feat of having own isolated wot and 'getting away with it' long term.
asciilifeform often finds these, but never sure if anybody gives a damn
asciilifeform: re: iPnohe brute force incident << i suppose none of the folks involved remember the days when people lifted 'shadow' file and bruteforced to their heart's delight
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reason there's very little public noise about such proceedings presently is that the system is still in the 'punish relatives of враги народа' phase. (in the linked case, separated husband was convicted of dope dealing)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik he was an engineering student.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov, at least according to his autobio, grew up in usa from late childhood on, same as i did.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: stop chirping & buy usa taxcoin (tm), terroriste.
asciilifeform barely even knows what btc smells like.
asciilifeform: 'Prosecutors routinely continue and relist civil-forfeiture cases and they unilaterally determine whether any documentation provided by the property owner is sufficient.'
asciilifeform: en a court reporter to transcribe these "public hearings."'
asciilifeform: 'In Courtroom 478, property owners are instructed to sign in and indicate with a checkmark on the sign-in sheet the kind of property they are there to save. The sign-in sheet lists the following categories of property: "house," "car," "money," or "gun." ... Assistant district attorneys with the Public Nuisance Task Force fully control the proceedings inside "Courtroom" 478. There is no judge, no jury, and not ev☟︎
asciilifeform: chetty: it's a classic. from it comes the admonition, often repeated to 'discontented' folks there, 'shut up, sit, don't chirp'
asciilifeform: 'a sparrow flew in the winter, froze and fell down. a cow strolled by. shat out some dung, splat! - and covered sparrow. he warmed up and began to chirp. a cat strolled by, heard chirping, removed sparrow, and ate him. From this tale, three morals: not he is your enemy who plants you down in shit; not he is your friend who removes you from shit; when sitting in shit - shut up, don't chirp.' - soviet folktale.
asciilifeform: (original - 'Do not think. If you think — do not speak. If you think and speak — do not write. If you think, speak and write — do not sign. If you think, speak, write and sign — don't be surprised.')
asciilifeform: so, formula is: 'don't own. if you own, don't admit it. if you admit it, don't write about it. if you own and admit and write, don't sign your name. if you own, admit, write, and sign name, don't be surprised.' (apologies to rev. t. reese.)☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: which may well come to an abrupt end when a monkey finally receives an order to zero their balance.
asciilifeform: and those escapees who draw their daily bread from a bank account under 'international community' jurisdiction (that being all save possibly chicom & russian) are merely taking a very expensive prolonged vacation.
asciilifeform: very few of the 'escapees' seem to fully apprehend the megalomaniacal evil they're running from.
asciilifeform: escaping from usg today to just about anywhere is more like - escaping to poland in '39.
asciilifeform: folks could escape from germany in, e.g, 1939 to - usa, which put an ocean and two navies between enemy and their arse
asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you.☟︎
asciilifeform: correct. legal is whatever the present-day whim of usg is.
asciilifeform: people have asked me why haven't escaped, and i answer 'i haven't $xx mil.' to which, eyes bug out, and i have to explain 'a real escape means retrieval is not simply legally, but militarily uneconomical.'☟︎
asciilifeform: what could be more interesting than effective dekulakization and deterrence of republikflucht.
asciilifeform: the point can be any number of things. e.g, getting out of the range of kingdom of aztlan's field artillery.
asciilifeform: if the place you fled to is in the habit of letting in u.s. polizei and looks away when they stuff people into a flying gasenwagen for return to gulag - what difference does it make that you paid the ransom? they can always demand a greater ransom, retroactively.☟︎
asciilifeform: plus it isn't clear that paying the 'legit' fees gets you anything in the long run. who's gonna force usg to honour the cancellations when they decide not to? the devil ?
