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asciilifeform: minds will boggle re wtf the ancestors did with their multicore GHz and what they had to show for it
asciilifeform: (this is supposed to 'not matter', 'cycles are cheap', but imho a great dark age of slow cpus -- cometh)
asciilifeform: utf8 or any other variadic encoding is an evil thing, makes any nontrivial operation on a string O(N)
asciilifeform: ants come every summer? thus also comes the anteater. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: or more generally, can't have static solutions to process problems.
mircea_popescu: but the technical problems aren't at issue here - it's the sociocultural compact of the deliberately-ignorant that are the issue.
mircea_popescu: yes, this would be very close to the lisp model of variables anyway.
asciilifeform: compress the bloatstring with normal compressor!
asciilifeform: it does, which is how the utf8 fudge happened. btw it was a monumentally wrong cut
mircea_popescu: so then people will try and optimize that, and what people mean by "optimize" is always "here, i'll take the cream, you do the work for me".
mircea_popescu: in principle there is a strong argument to say "alphabet size = machine word size" even if this didn't hold on pre-8 bit machines. and consequently you ~could~ have a type string that always takes 4 bytes and represents whatever the fuck. the problem is that this gives you a 400% memory allocation bloat for that type of string.
asciilifeform: all, what, 2? 3? 4? of these around
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 14:43 phf: we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574510 << while i still prefer mircea_popescu's pinyin, this is not really true: it is still theoretically possible to do, e.g., utf16 but with strictly civilized (cultures with alphabets, and which do not fuck goats or write in own liquishit) chars ☝︎
mircea_popescu: where the fuck's that thumbsup unicode glyph
mircea_popescu: alrighty, so that makes it 3-0.
phf: we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i'm sold on mircea_popescu's 'if you must orc, pinyin yer text and optionally have your terminal backtranslate he pinyin to hieroglyphs' pill.
asciilifeform: so all of my working material has to be 7bitclean
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 16:22 phf: but i'm not talking about diff specifically, i'm saying that whatever decissions are being made about diff now are going to influence the kind of work we'll have to do in the future
mircea_popescu: but maybe time to make the point that this cleanliness is not coincidental.
mircea_popescu: as far as i know it's all clean to date, which is why this discussion didn't spring naturally
mircea_popescu: speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov ☟︎☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/unicode-is-fucking-stupid-the-definitive-article/ << Trilema - Unicode is fucking stupid - the definitive article.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E739A834E2CE6339A7D05EEDB78D8485695F6AA890225B692F2561197FFFFBE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1602...4037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '142.244.231.80 (ssh-rsa key from 142.244.231.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ssdpdev1.srv.ualberta.ca. CA AB)
mircea_popescu: and it also goes re "trade". yes the brits experienced a period of "hey, trade creates wealth". guess what - it created out of burning china's empire. spain idem. and the portuguese too.
asciilifeform: ( or possibly asciilifeform dreamed this )
asciilifeform: there was iirc something about how an economic landscape stable enough for 'savings' is an ephemeral and quite unnatural thing, rather like billiard table ☟︎
asciilifeform: if anyone remembers when it was, stick a pointer here in the l0gz, imho it belongs.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al -- at some point there was a great 'savings ~never~ really worked' mircea_popescu thread
ben_vulpes considering "deskilling" the entire mobile-app "api server" with judicious compilation of libpq
phf: ben_vulpes: it is rather unfortunate how much time i wasted "following along", i know things now
ben_vulpes: phf: the things one learns!
asciilifeform: hence the 1,001 imitations his students made.
asciilifeform: pg's own 'viaweb' was -- supposedly -- the original.
phf: afaik heroku invented the whole "container" thing, i.e. instead of oldfag unixing you have a thing with many slots, that takes ruby code, provides postgresql, etc. so that you don't actually need to know anything outside of your rails world
ben_vulpes: entire thing runs atop bezos' virtu-staxx
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: omg hate speech as if to assume they even have their own boxes!
mircea_popescu: is heroku anything more than a pretentious website and a few dozen boxes rented in a dc somewhere ?
ben_vulpes: whether the investors made the tin woman, obvs
mircea_popescu: what is the topic ?
ben_vulpes: absolutely sole purpose is to render savings moot.
ben_vulpes: ah, the spontaneous generation argument
asciilifeform: and who tosses meat onto hot pavement, for the flies, makes the sticky mess.
ben_vulpes cranes at the salt in his ass
asciilifeform: somebody feeds the monkeys.
asciilifeform: thing had all of the classic stigmata of pgism
ben_vulpes: lj never took 2 seconds to return a simple html page...
asciilifeform: and the yc people had public parades etc.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: try livejournal, i eat livejournal urls
ben_vulpes: but lookie at the mircea_popescu citing sv's own propaganda machine
ben_vulpes: whatever, crunchbase took 2 seconds to return a page, i killed the process
mircea_popescu: he's adorable when he thinks he knows a thing!
ben_vulpes: wholly owned by salesfarce these days
asciilifeform: nobody's gonna ask him -- just like deindustrialization program is happening whether or not some old d00d signs xyz treaty or not
mircea_popescu: "m&a market" in the sense of bullshit "tech companies" of the software ilk is looking at a 99% contraction in 2017.
asciilifeform: what, spreadshit at ye olde fed needs 42 bits but only takes 41..?
mircea_popescu: he got keystone to pay for.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how they figure trump's gonna be printing for this.
asciilifeform: and it 'works' like all grahamisms -- by being sold to a greater fool, somewhere, somehow
asciilifeform: 1) crawl www 2) perl script converts to 'ebook' 3) spam to idiots 4) ???
mircea_popescu: how's monetize supposed to work.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574405 << it's the usual 'let's MONETIZE!1111 other people's work' spamolade ☝︎
asciilifeform: hey it isn't any crazier than the geoip routine
mircea_popescu: talk to shinohai Framedragger pete_dushenski who else had a bot
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C1F1DF711FA0B4E2F5F99F37821FFCD45F8B4336A79C4039654EA3B14C6AE2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.185 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
asciilifeform: trinque: how much sweat would it take to add procedure, attempt http (80) and https (445) on phucked ip, then post http title, if found, and in case of ssl, cert id string
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first mention of the sicke hammer
mircea_popescu: phf i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but...
phf: i've gotten to a point with logs, where most of my log memories are stored in logs
mircea_popescu: i thought you participated in the discussion lol
phf: asciilifeform: oh i missed that
mircea_popescu: oh wait, blonde chicks surf cuz they're from california right ? and black chicks basketball. makes perfect sense. wanna bet the swimmer's a brunette ?
asciilifeform: ^ was in the l0gz
phf: no idea, and too lazy to investigate. i found it because apparently valid unicode pistol emoji was changed from realistic looking gun to a water gun
mircea_popescu: are they valid unicode ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/#comment-119926 << in other 3/10 for effort trollage
mircea_popescu: orinigally, nothing ; then it was made a day, then 5.
mircea_popescu: (evidently, not going to apply to usg-stolen domains)
mircea_popescu: in other news, icann changed "domain lock" for transfers to... 60 days.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Samuel 15:3 :: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:16 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574215 << yes this is apparently the correct approach ☝︎
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 6:9 :: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:25 :: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:24 :: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:05 mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574186 << "embrace comfort" -- men behaving like women. this defiles the land ☝︎
mats: i'm tracking
asciilifeform: mats: i will underscore the point: i am entirely, thoroughly, monumentally disinterested in purchasing industrial component where i gotta make a cousin-fucking relationship with some orc even before i get something like a quote. no anonymous cash'n'carry? not wanted in my supply line, not if there is an alternative.
asciilifeform: (incidentally linked piece is disinfo, per https://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2016-November/082331.html , the 'me' is not really dead )
mircea_popescu: in proper terms, "it's too expensive to 100% test each individual unit"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574333 << 1) i want the raw chip 2) i want a steady supplier, not a d00d with 0 connection to my wot (including vendors i've personally used as 'connection' for this purpose) ☝︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573903 << that is one of the best games ever. i have many memories of high school drunken debaucheries, where a small clique would periodically dip out, one by one, to perform their next move in heroes on the family computer ☝︎
hanbot: http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html#t20:06:54 << iirc was 25310, if that's at all useful. anyway, thanks for looking into it diana_coman
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Beerwolf - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerwolf>; Luther and the Justifiability of Resistance to Legitimate Authority: <http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1150%26context%3Dfacpub>; Meaning of Beerwolf - Encyclo: <http://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-Beerwolf>
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing this,