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ben_vulpes: good idea though! i've dropped many a dose of 'acid' into 'friends' eyeballs.
mircea_popescu: oh, eyedropper on tongue ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah, traditional oral application
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: there's a metabolite that comes out when digestion booze and coke together
mircea_popescu: because i can't conceive why'd you want to do that to your cornea.
asciilifeform: for the cocaethylene ?
jurov: ben_vulpes: already tried eyedropping tobacco extract? not very psychoactive but very purifying instead
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: why this vs. in soda?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you ever examined the nasal septum of long term coke whore ?
shinohai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven-Per-Cent_Solution <<< Holmes later went to Dr. Sigmund Freud's rehab clinic in Vienna
ben_vulpes: one of the few psyochoactive experiments left on my list is the eyedropper bottle of cocaine/alcohol solution
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:30 jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:27 asciilifeform: fact that if the base library dependency isn’t there, the component can’t link to it. He looked at me and said, “There are no facts, there are only opinions, and all opinions are equal.” ...'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575631 << mandatory link to " It was impressive in a way to see Protagoras's sophism alive and well after 2500 years." http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: i distinctly recall ~one~ case where he injects while thinking
phf: i'd like to mention that sherlock holmes used cocaine ~only~ in between cases
trinque: still didn't feel superhuman on either; more like excited dog that has to sniff everything in a loop ☟︎
trinque: smokes for bit, stops cold one day. same experience with the powdery one.
asciilifeform: and take it every other month.
asciilifeform: trinque: probably the folx who erdos for decade on single 100g bottle of it and will take secret to the grave.
trinque has advocated various dopes in the past solely because they were fun, like camping is fun, but I don't write code camping either. I camp. ☟︎
trinque: who is this person that felt like they could figure things out on cocaine? then later saw that they in fact, had.
phf: haha, most definitely. cocaine is all the upper echelons (the drug of choice on capitol hill), alcohol is for the grunts. aspiring managers notably prefer vodka redbulls are a nodick compromise
asciilifeform: which is why i said to laddel 'dope requires discipline', because a lone programmer in a cellar is both general and soldier
asciilifeform: but quite destructive to folx who are doing equivalent of ~planning~ the march ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'packing', and brute labour of whatever other kind, also can have sensation of 'inch away', read the tales of athletes in training, alpinists, pilots. ☟︎
phf: the first part of writing happens in a mapper mode, i.e. daydreaming for lack of better word before any kind of code is actually written, second in packer i.e. actual typing. that's also when cocaine/caffeine/aderal might help
asciilifeform: how's that plug in ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree, i was quite close to, e.g., 'v', for very long time before finally wrote it.
asciilifeform: and because of this, have difficulty picturing them as fixed 'types' from birth.
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for other inmates, but i have lived as both of these animals.
phf: i always thought that kind of classification is "people like me and people not like me", but i like your take too.
asciilifeform: only the latter, notably, results in the inmate/employee being of some residual use to his owner, so 'corporate culture' is unsurprisingly built around utilization of this type, and the speedy ejection of the other one.
asciilifeform: two different reactions to being killed with boredom -- daydream and gabriel_laddel around ('mapper') -- or, alternatively, -- 'mindless robot' ('packer'), typical caricature of 'cube dweller', 'dilbert'.
asciilifeform: briefly revisiting upstack, imho 'mapper' and 'packer' as depicted in the essays are only 'types of people' in the sense that there were two types of inmate at auschwitz - folx who immediately jumped the fence and died on the wire, and ones who 'checked out' and turned 'Muselmann' ;
asciilifeform: the code - was incidental. which is why it today is going the way of the snake's legs, or the f35's wings and engine.
asciilifeform: the 'culture' was, as i gather, never actually ~about~ the code, but... about the coffee; the shared deathmarches; the dope; the sensory deprivation bottles; the 'scene'; and other pretenses. ☟︎
phf: also made me rather mistrustful of a lot of "hacker culture" elements, like too much coffee, night hacking, after hour sprints, weekend hacking, all things that i've confirmed from experience to contributing to atrocious code ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: stands to reason that if adrenergic dopes are addictive, likewise so would be ordinary adrenaline
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a pretty good handle on subj, though i have misplaced the relevant piece. the one where he described two basic outcomes of the traditional western crippling of schoolchildren, and they roughly correspond to the 'mapper' and 'packer' portrayed here, and in 'bipolar lisp programmer', and other similar essays.
phf: but anyway, the reason why i mentioned it, and the one thing of value that i derived from progstone is the idea of stess addiction. i'm not sure about the mechanism that he proposes, but identifying and neutralizing sources of needless stress served me well for many years since i read it
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:46 phf: http://www.programmersstone.com are the original, and c2 discussion http://wiki.c2.com/?ProgrammersStone
phf: i just linked it to you ffs
phf: earlier in thread that is
phf: those quotes are from blog, not the original site
asciilifeform: quote of 'programmer stone' ? we had a number of these earlier in thread ?
phf: i would've prefered criticism that involved quotes (since there are plenty of things to make fun of), rather than a somehwat off mark general trash talking
asciilifeform: reader must feel 'on the throne' merely by act of reading.
asciilifeform: important ingredient is the lack of mathematical or any other pre-requisite that a reader might lack and thereby stumble, or provoke feeling of inferiority
phf: well, yeah, it's cybermysticism :) follows a long tradition that well predates eric raymond
asciilifeform: asciilifeform refers to this genre of writing as '10th-dimension', after infamous pseudoscientific b00k/www by same name, which consisted of highly refined 'imponade' (to borrow naggum's) , that is, writing designed to pull the reader's intellectual cock and give a sensation of 'profound insight', 'yes, NAO i UNDERSTAND FIZZZIX!' or similar.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 01:24 mircea_popescu: I blame Eric Raymond and to a lesser extent Dave Winer for bringing this kind of schlock writing onto the Internet. Raymond is the original perpetrator of the "what is a hacker?" essay, in which you quickly begin to understand that a hacker is someone who resembles Eric Raymond. Dave Winer has recently and mercifully moved his essays off to audio, but you can still hear him snorfling cashew nuts and talking at length about wh
phf: asciilifeform: it ~is~ the infamous mappers and packers thing, m&p is first chapter ☟︎
ben_vulpes: and a pike of entropy sitting in the corner
asciilifeform: phf: lol, it was same d00d as the infamous 'mappers and packers' thing?!!
ben_vulpes: tru tru
asciilifeform: phf: happen to have a preserved copy of any of these ?
phf: http://www.programmersstone.com are the original, and c2 discussion http://wiki.c2.com/?ProgrammersStone ☟︎
phf: when i said "programmers stone" i meant papers published by blog's author in 97 or so, which are very vague and speculative but had some interesting ideas about programming. most references to subj in oldfag circles result in "oh yeaaah i member" reaction. the blog has not much to do with original
asciilifeform: ( and what precisely could be a motivation, in moribund american megacorp where 'proverbial' programmer always seems to work, to 'super' ? 1% bonus ? to be fired three months later than the next-best team ? better potato ration ? which..? )
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that the authors of these (and there are many) virtually never mention even approx. ~what~ their 'super team' of 'super people' was DOING ☟︎
asciilifeform: pretty typical 'mistreated programmers' piece
jurov: sorry, pls what was that "25 times more productive" link? somwhow can't find it in the log
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's thread about the filipino bordello, with the 400 beds.
asciilifeform: i thought this was known to pretty much everyone in the field since... '70s..? but apparently not
asciilifeform: but giving ~them~ soundproof boxes etc. simply results on moar tetris-man-hours.
asciilifeform: elsewhere, in butugychags, folx doing things no sane person would voluntarily consider doing, are, yes, warehoused, as author describes
asciilifeform: and where they are found, they are kept in comfortable conditions, or even spared the idiocy of commuting to offices etc.
asciilifeform: folx who WANT to do the thing they are doing -- or at least have genuine desire to hold in their hands the end result, $widget, $proggy , and not merely the week's paycheque -- give the impression of the '25x productive'
jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf ☟︎
asciilifeform: 1st line of subj article , 'For decades we have known that some people are 25 times more productive than most in software engineering jobs. ...' is correct, but the remaining article gets the cause/effect relationship backwards
asciilifeform: do they live anywhere outside of caricature ? normally dysfunction is more subtle.
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder, how come i never met these folx.
asciilifeform: fact that if the base library dependency isn’t there, the component can’t link to it. He looked at me and said, “There are no facts, there are only opinions, and all opinions are equal.” ...' ☟︎
asciilifeform: en able to link. One day it became apparent that the component extended a base class of the Qt graphics toolkit, while their program used MFC. Foolishly, I ventured to suggest that if the base class wasn’t available, a derived class couldn’t be linked to it. One of the workers informed me that this was “my opinion”. I should have left it alone, I know. But I used to work in a useful industry. I explained that it was a simple
asciilifeform: 'Amongst some people, such confusion has been elevated to a philosophical ideology. I once watched a very lost group working near to me, who had spent months trying to print out a graph. It was all very complicated for them. Eventually they decided to purchase a third party graph drawing component, which advertised that it could print out graphs. After considerable administration they obtained a binary library, which they were not th
asciilifeform: again, in case this was not clear, the two boards pictured are consumer products, sold for 1-3 $ / ea. just about anywhere.
asciilifeform: and comes from wherever you like, incl. the back of your desk drawer
asciilifeform: so why bother to pay to have it soldered to the board.
phf: (i finished the docs)
asciilifeform: the only usb-speaking ICs on the market with no PERSISTENT FLASH STATE are all usb-to-rs232ttl converters anyway
asciilifeform: perhaps this is a good time and place to say why. in short -- specificity-of-diddling theorem.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 14:36 mircea_popescu: speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov
asciilifeform: the pictured converters are quite common and the folks who played with 'pogo' already have some.
phf: sos tinys
asciilifeform: phf: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/heads.jpg : two example usb heads (battery for scale strictly)
asciilifeform: they're part of the 'grandfather's pistol'.
mircea_popescu: are pthreads even a good thing ?
asciilifeform: at no point is usb converted to anything.
asciilifeform: (subj device speaks ordinary rs232 at TTL voltage, gets converted to the desired end by standard dongle)
asciilifeform: phf: nein, read the doc, the head comes off
asciilifeform: lower-case fuckgoats are simply goats, such that are supplied to bagram airbase for the troops to fuck.
phf: asciilifeform: is usb convertable to rs-232 with a ~limited~ application of soldering iron?
phf: asciilifeform: that's a good question, i haven't isolated the bug, but i'm pretty sure on openbsd crashes instantaneously. note that c++ threads are involved, so perhaps they try to initialize things even before you start using them?
shinohai: Sad, I really did like the blockcypher api: http://archive.is/AYrGQ
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 15:54 asciilifeform: (idiot pgp still needs 256 rng bits for aes session keys, when transmitting, and this is own can of lolworms)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575533 << very much this. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 15:51 asciilifeform: unrelated lel, how many folx see 'PLEASE read the instructions !' and then drop something other than pgpgram in the funnel
mircea_popescu: i had no idea what hotcakes means prior to FUCKGOATS
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 15:29 trinque will be placing an order soon