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mircea_popescu: i'm exaggerating, but anyways. very huge in/outdoors distinction

Mocky: if there are local girls who dont' look exactly like this at all times in public, I havent seen: http://www.milenio.com/tendencias/Mujeres-Arabia-Saudita_MILIMA20160119_0193_8.jpg

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864068 << for extra lulz, BingoBoingo : i regged an acct on their www and submitted comment, and (spoiler) 'Submitted and awaiting moderation...' for hrs nao ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <Mocky> the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed. << The rings sounds rather like 1900's-1950's Montevideo

BingoBoingo: Mocky: I take it there is a beach?

mircea_popescu: and then when i say there's a lot of supernumerary bodies...

mircea_popescu: "so... what do you do ?" "uhm i dunno man... we just live here. it's just a gig, it's not our life. wanna toke ?"

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:26 Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 00:41 amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true

Mocky: fewer lashes for theft etc. I know the corporal punishment sentences are handed down, but not always implemented. I don't know the ratio of commuting to jail time / deportation

Mocky: it's still on the books, 40 lashes for sex outside marriage for a muslim. i think they did it as recently as a few years ago

Mocky: I don't know about public or not. as part of sharia law it applies only to muslims. they have secular law for non muslims.

Mocky: also there's the angle of "good fences make good neighbors". but I'll ask

Mocky: one thing i can say is that in the past there were guards hired at many villas to monitor the comings and goings. lover cannot be snuck into parents house easily, and expats had same problem here. "cannot bring girlfriend over... guard"

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864022 -> uhm, I don't think this is true ☝︎

Mocky: no, but I mean to ask. 100% ubiquitous here

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 08:21 Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'

Mocky: well i guess more like DC or SF but with ~twice the popluation

Mocky: actually i'm pretty sure everyone is getting a better deal than back home come to think of it

diana_coman: ah well, if not a camel, then can't camel I suppose

Mocky: one of them claims on their website that certain IT and consulting busniesses don't require a local sponsor. if they actually have experience with these things I expect it to be helpful

diana_coman: my limited experience with a business incubator in south tyrol was that there were also people from local businesses + local government, but I have no idea to what extent this experience means anything for qatar-incubator

Mocky: i'm about to implement plan b, and talk to the local companies that advertise to help you get your business started and help find you a sponsor

diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be ☟︎

Mocky: they did have an event the day i arrived, but i missed it. no more events on the near calendar

diana_coman: hm, but no way to even attend one of the events i.e. as visitor?

Mocky: no they have events and even people there, but i can't get in, lol

diana_coman: I'd naively expect there would be at least some sort of link possible at the incubator; no events either?

Mocky: so the startup incubator is not at all like what i expected

Mocky: i went to both coworks. well, "coworks" one is 15th floor of a bank highrise that was empty and expensive. the other is trying to be a startup incubator run by the ministry of communications

diana_coman: I must say I don't really have any concrete idea unfortunately re how to go about to find an entrance to qatari wot

Mocky: the class system is strong, i've met only bottom 3 classes: guilded cage workers

Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find. ☟︎

diana_coman: ah, makes some sense; though I gather it's basically living among the malls and sand but I suppose that's what it is

Mocky: the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed.

diana_coman: are all houses at the edge of the city or where? not that I'm even sure I see a difference if ~all desert anyway

Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress' ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:17 BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't

asciilifeform: there's 3-4 leaks just within 5km of where i'm sitting, and plenty of folx reported to wash. gas, and guess, fixed ? (spoiler : no)

BingoBoingo: I don't recall if you saw any active sparkers during your trip here.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in ro i saw gas pipe running along ~exterior~ walls, errywhere, forming little archways to cross alleys, for km after km

BingoBoingo: I mean the whole run of the bundle is centimeters from the face of every building for the entire block's run

BingoBoingo: Oh no, I am talking about the runs where the wires are centimeters from exterior wall of occupied structure. They don't fall until they've completely finished cooking

BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I trust the Uruguayos to completely hide the wires considering how many lines have left scorch marks along their runs

BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'd hope that not, he's what, 2wks in

asciilifeform: i guess 'less than that' if yer a gurl and mircea_popescu likes yer bust, or how else.

asciilifeform: funnily enuff , last time asciilifeform went to dig, turned up people who claim to conjure up 'ro ancestor' for $toyota, and bake legit passport; but i'ma believe it when i see it and as far as can throw it ( plus they only work on ukrs, which is imho a dead giveaway of spamola )

asciilifeform: but yes, i'm not esp surprised that the derps 'working' on 3600. given as 1) 'ivory' needs ~20-50 k $ in either chinese microscopist, or nixon's burglars , take yer pick 2) 3600 is massive forest of idjit hackolade, which these people seem to ~like~, the way scarab luvvs shit

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am contacting you from the future, a time when "microsoft" "bought" whatever.

asciilifeform: but i'ma be surprised.

mircea_popescu: part of why i'm so "eh, tell it to the hand" about the whole "they're working" angle. no, they aren't.

mircea_popescu: no, i know.

asciilifeform: beats the shit out of what i'm sitting in front of, in 9000 ways

mircea_popescu: amberglint i have my doubts they're doing any such thing.

asciilifeform: amberglint: i.e. they're carefully avoiding risk of doing anything useful

asciilifeform: fwiw i did ( could unearth thread , but who wants, can find ) get quote from chinese, they will happily photograph crystal for ~toyota's worth

amberglint: the people who have the biggest stash of Ivory hardware are busy writing their own emulator of the older 3600 machines right now, the last time I checked

asciilifeform: amberglint: iirc he found pinouts. not crown jewels, tho could be of use in ~very slowly~ getting sumthing useful from the 2 'ivory' crystals i traded a 3620 for

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 02:44 phf: asciilifeform: i actually forgot! i'm swamped right now, but can you remind me again in about two weeks, i have a thing for you from the dig that will help with the little piece of silicon you have

amberglint: I was about to ask phf about his Ivory-related efforts, but checked the logs again just now and found that asciilifeform already did it two days ago, which I overlooked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( tho i cannot rule out hypothesis that it lives in same place as apollo rocket, i.e. /dev/null, was lost )

mircea_popescu: but i suspect if aliens came looking for one it'd be in your house.

mircea_popescu: "i plugged this stick i found in the parking lot into your computer" / "i gave some guy an all-doors pass cuz he was wearing gray overalls with some name i don't remember on the back" etcetera.

mircea_popescu: nobody's ever getting fired for giving away the expensive company car to a guy dressed in a red coat. "i thought he was the parking vallet".

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:04 asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't'

amberglint: I found your blog, and in there I found the references to this place

asciilifeform: no, i meant, how found us

amberglint: the crack? I talked to some people in #bolix and eventually got it

amberglint: I don't think phf knows me

amberglint: mircea_popescu: thank you, I'll read (or re-read) that

asciilifeform: i.e. whatever mallery is holding out for

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:05 asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how.

amberglint: I thought so

asciilifeform: amberglint: i wrote to him, incl. once from .mil and 100% paying bolix customer (yes), 0 answer

amberglint: I wonder what answer he'd come up with

amberglint: I can't remember, did you try to talk to Mallery directly?

asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how. ☟︎

asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't' ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i suspect he buys'em back from tired archaeologists, and resells ad infinitum

asciilifeform: amberglint: i dun buy this excuse; for the pathological coward, there's 9000 ways to post a pill anon

a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:21 asciilifeform: for instance, i struggled to find the genera source, and then YEARS later i found out that 'the whisperers' have been quietly passing it around

amberglint: yeah, it's the same deal, I guess some people are afraid of lawsuits from a dead company

asciilifeform: it's funny , these people. e.g. coupla weeks after i posted my pill for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 , that i had to make with own hands , a finn shows up, 'i have one too' 'why didntcha post' '...'

amberglint: whoever made that pill wasn't eager to make it public, I got it in a roundabout way

asciilifeform: 'i'ma sit on this gold' 'why' 'because i am gnome' ☟︎

amberglint: Peter Paine has a huge pile of Symbolics tapes which he jealously guards from other bolixologists, I wonder if it has the source of Ivory

a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.

amberglint: I remember NS referencing the documentation, but it seems to be missing in the distribution everyone has

asciilifeform: i suppose ns pill will come in handy if anybody ever unearths the ivory src

asciilifeform: what i wanted re ns, is a) the 'ivory' src b) src for ns itself, to pillage the algos

asciilifeform: sadly i dun have anything to load in ns

amberglint: I also have the crack for Macsyma if you want

amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true ☟︎

asciilifeform: sold, since ~late'90s, to errybody, the smallest nontrivial piece of gear i have here that takes standard battery (not counting flashlights etc) is 100kg ups.

asciilifeform: ( at one time i did have an ancient 'nokia' that had precisely this battery system, so there's no practical reason why impossible . it's purely lock-in crapola that prevents. )

asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque i was learning from db dark arts, in yer http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis#L186 , and wondered re the orig logic behind the uuid-ossp / gen_random_uuid() item ( vs the ordinary 'serial' ), plox to enlighten asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: and i have seen a tyre depot, which for my purposes here counts as "bag of legs"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean fully functional ones.

asciilifeform: can't say i have