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mircea_popescu: it's what it is, out of
the final
table in
the latter case about 2/3 is robot work.
mircea_popescu: heh. laugh all you want, and
take refuge in 1970s artworks if you will - but
the fact remains
that if you buy planks you buy planks but if you buy ikea you buy robotized planks.
mircea_popescu: ie -
the visually driven notion of "robot" as "anthropomorphised
tuna can" is not particularly useful in a discussion of economics and robots.
mircea_popescu: "robots" does not strictly mean r2d2. entirely automated process chain is also a robot in
this sense, even if perhaps a meta-robot for
they preoccupied with
the physicality of
things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, plumbing mostly comes as part of
the prefab components of construction nowadays. is not separate
thing.
mircea_popescu: dat old ecosystem drives itself by supporting its niches and denying competing niches
thing.
mircea_popescu: amusingly - i used
to call plumbers in places where plumbing had been laid by hand. but in places where plumbing laid by robot - no need so far.
mircea_popescu: this is how eg construction yards used
to work, for milennia. not anymore, for decades now.
mircea_popescu: with
the exception of
tmsr,
there is NO PLACE in
this world which sticks
to
the modern
tradition of, "random bozo walks in, is given a job"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no ; because modernism hadn't ended yet. but
the chick herself - if she weren't
twerking she'd be on reddit .
there is literally NOTHING for her
to do.
mircea_popescu: (kinda yet another angle of why
the great again is so lulzy - what, economic
trends will reverse by election ?)
mircea_popescu: the welfarization creates nothing. it is
the maggot on
the corpse of postmodern industry.
mircea_popescu: i suspect i might've
talked
to more industrial robots folks
than you have over our respective careers, but be
that as it may,
the
trend is
towards not away job destruction.
mircea_popescu: there are a number of reasons for
this. 1. robots eat electricity ; humans eat a sort of oil derivate ; see
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577962 ; 2. robots are an industrial product,
this costs ~nothing while "well brainwashed humans" are
the equivalent of a "well behaved wife".
tell you what, here's a half billion girlies in your "civilised world", you have a week
to find a wife. let me know what you spent.
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: the Floating Littoral Embarassment is very much
the symbolic product of "technology by modernist means in postmodernist
times"
mircea_popescu: and not just in github, it results in 5bn for BART's 16
track miles and in 12mn/year for 1bn database for microsoft.
mircea_popescu: back in 1616
there was a "do something - anything".
today
that results in github.
mircea_popescu: except
there is no "work" in
the abstract, as a byproduct of anti-idlehandsaredevilswork. not anymore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iron age is ~norman conquest. industrial age is a different
thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pygmystan is not actually a culture ; stone age
tribes don't get names.
mircea_popescu: fundamental myth of english modernism is "blind love", which, if you'll notice, is at
the
time of its introduction a very cheap
trick very much in
the manner of protestantism ; and also a mythical beast :
mircea_popescu: fundamental myth of english feudalism is a sword
that cared.
mircea_popescu: and
this is what all
the unicode wastage is :
they,
the lost souls of a dead world, are
trying
to make computers more like cotton ginnies. more inclusive, more capable
to work with a modernist perspective, where who dun matter and what is considered.
mircea_popescu: whereas most computing jobs require identity in
terms entirely impossible in
the brief modernist interlude. what cares
the cotton ginny whether you are white or black skinned ?
mircea_popescu: most computing jobs are unspecifiable in
the
terms most industrial jobs of
the brief modernist interlude were specifiable.
mircea_popescu: in short, in
the entirety of
the observable universe, we are reverting
to
traditionalist systems, approaches and altogether a reality.
mircea_popescu: see, when I hire diana_coman
to do dev work for eulora, OF FUCKING COURSE she gets
to redefine
the job on
the basis of
the
title. because before she got it she hadn't seen
the code, and after she had, for instance. or for any other reason.
mircea_popescu: aha. HOWEVER - which is why i bring all
this up -
the reversal is fucking evident here
too.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why simple minded folks in
third countries such as argentina etc display
the strange behaviour where
they don't wish
to actually work, first discussed in
the article about whores
mircea_popescu: nce he gets it, once he IS
the job
title,
then of course he finds himself in a more elevated position, which should mean by his logic
that he gets
to renegotiate and eliminate some of
the burdens.
mircea_popescu: getting back
to
the modern/traditional
thing :
there's a very visible and practically relevant distinction in
trade. when i hire a modernist, i hire him
to do a job, and i expect him
to do a job. but when i hire a
traditionalist, i am essentially assigning office. and as it is LOGICAL in
that context, he may agree
to any "job" specification ie burdens on
the
title before he gets it, while all he IS is humble applicant ; but o
mircea_popescu: no, my idea simply was "explore all
the
trees for my convenience".
mircea_popescu: just because i can't keep up with
the horse doesn't mean it won't get its exercise. we have mechanics!
mircea_popescu frequently requires better go players
to play very fast and
train for it in advance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if i give you a lined mat and a pile of all black
tiles you
thereby "still have a game of go" ?
mircea_popescu: hence
the "useful evil minister" strategy deployed in england and france as well as everywhere else - get
the guy
to do
things
then behead him.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
they're only semantic games
to you ; for
they
to be games
they need
the optionality.
phf: i
think i'm being misunderstood. i'm saying
that fake-tzars were cases of "emperor asking of you", because both
tzar and barin (i.e. immediate supervisor) were seen as fundamental good. peasants consistently and historically allocated blame on various random hangerons. boyars,
traders, foreigners, etc. in fact in fake-tzar cases
the narrative was consistent "evil boyars have deposed our
tzar-father and we won't stand for it"
mircea_popescu: similar
to
the whole "mandate ofheaven" chinese
thing - IS he or ISN'T he
the "one
true emperor" ; whether his being anything in particular matters with regards
to "his job" ie, what he has
to do is not discussed. even
the notion
that emperorhood is a job is nonsensical in context.
mircea_popescu: and
the fake ivans etc are not exactly attacks on
the
tsar ;
they're just a discussion of identity , not actually a modernisation proposal.
phf: no, no, i'm saying
the opposite. ~barin~ in
this case is
the dude who worked you
to
the bone
mircea_popescu: phf you did ; nevertheless - in
the case of
those runaways who were discovered in
the 60s after however many centuries of absence, what figured greatly was
that a)
the
tsar is good and b)
that woe on random anon merchant for refusing
to donate a quarter
ton of potatoes
to
the cause.
phf: also kind of
tru re famine, but
typically boyars were blamed rather
then
tzar or barin
phf: not quite
true, you had лжецаревич uprisings
mircea_popescu: this "what care i" is very much a proposal
to modulate behaviour ; whereas
this active diatesis is not
there contemplated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. ru peasant aslo
thought emperor is good ; and right here.
mircea_popescu: socialist] state as a persuasive and credible justification for
the need
to rebalance administratively imbalances induced administratively. same exact problems psychology resolves."
mircea_popescu: fuck i love
this article. "Deci, ce probleme rezolva ecologia ? Niciunele. Ecologia se bucura insa de sprijinul institutional al statului ca justificare persuasiva si credibila a nevoii de-a reechilibra administrativ dezechilibre economice induse administrativ.
Tot aceleasi probleme pe care le rezolva si psihologia," -> "So, what problems does ecology resolve ? No problems. Ecology simply enjoys institutional support of
the [
mircea_popescu: why
the fuck would cunt lubricate
to ease penile intromission ?
mircea_popescu: because
the emperor is ; in
traditionalist societies existence is predicated on existence.
mircea_popescu: it seems credible
to me qualitatively ; quantitatively i have nfi.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-03 01:48 BingoBoingo: So... Anyone here know chinese? Good enought
to
translate a Hand complete police report?
mircea_popescu: there was some badly
translated "proceeds of miner conference" sometime earlier
this year
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> actually BingoBoingo what was
that
thing vaguely mentioned on qntra recently ? << You'd have
to be a bit more specific