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diana_coman: honestly, by this description I start even liking them

Mocky: i've haven't seen personally, so all i can do is report for now

Mocky: diana_coman, that could be a reasonable assumption and i suggested the same to my companions, they shook thier heads. ☟︎

diana_coman: more of "wouldn't pay if I don't need it" and they might not need the shitinsurance

diana_coman: hm, re insurance I'm not sure it is evidence of "wouldn't pay if not tangible"

Mocky: impression i got was totalcostofownership can't compete with how they feel about it in their gut

Mocky: Another example was horse needed some major surgery. owner had no problem paying for facilities, staff, ancillaries but balked at paying surgeon fee. "i pay you much less for minor treatments, why must I pay more for your time now". Selling them preventative medicine or machine maintenance is a non-starter. They'd rather pay 10x when the emergency hits because then they know they are getting something for their money.

Mocky: so i dug into what it's like to be in business with Qataris and how their attitudes are, with my 11 new acquaintances at breakfast today. 3 of them have had first hand experience in their business dealings for years now and happy to tell stories. I'll relay the gist of it here. on the following points there was not the slightest disagreement from anyone at the table, only nodding heads and further stories illustrating the exact same points.

diana_coman: I have one box for all the shit, yes

asciilifeform: and come to think of it, i dun think i've used mine in several yrs.

diana_coman: ah, I don't quite distinguish between them really

asciilifeform: ok as i thought, ty

phf: Mocky: oh yeah i didn't mean to imply that in qatar specifically it's only foreigners term, seems like the words used are entirely regional, e.g. egyptians call it shisha also. i've smoked too much hookah, so i like to know the whole set, so that i can effectively communicate with the locals :)

asciilifeform: really, keccak oughta be doable in-place. but i haven't loaded it into my head yet and cannot immediately say how to rewrite equation so that it could

phf: i suspect a temporary solution as far as vdiff is concerned is to spoon feed keccak smaller blocks

phf: asciilifeform: i figured out what the issue is

Mocky: i met others as well, europeans, americans, canadians but they didn't know about biz or qataris enough to contribute to the convo

Mocky: phf well i've only spoken to foreigners here about it so that could be the case here as well, but it does say "shisha" on the printed menu, but also printed in english for foreigners

phf: they ought to call it argile, but i suspect shisha is more international. in turkey they call it nargile almost exclusively, and only call it shisha when trying to communicate with a foreigner

Mocky: today was at a cheesecake factory, in a mall bigger than my home town in which I got lost twice

Mocky: oh my god I found some humans today

phf: no no, that's an unreleased enable sha512, so my point is that it must be something in ada/c interop, or the particular way i do it in vdiff: ksum works though it uses same interface, vdiff sha512 works though it uses an architecturally identical sha interface.

asciilifeform: i'm curious what it was that overflowed it tho

phf: so i have a vdiff that takes an -s flag (enables sha512), and it works fine

phf: but i like your suggestion also, i suspect diana's interface can be used against your mmap result

phf: diana_coman's keccak interface uses a KeccakWholeThing(...) method (not the actual name), in vtools i added a new interface, which follows the classical hasher format: KeccakCtx() UpdateCtx(ctx, data) EndCtx(ctx, resultHash)

asciilifeform: i was on a box without the standalone keccak, so tried to use vdiff to get keccakization

phf: hmm, i wonder if it's maybe c/ada interop? straight ksum gives me the answer, and it uses the same incremental mechanism (already trie)d

phf: i also don't think it's a stack allocation issue, ksum against the file works, and the integration between c diff and keccak was designed with chunk reading in mind

phf: i suspect when i was removing various optimizations from c diff, i removed something that let it eat larger files, because regular diff obviously diffs

lobbesbot: phf: Sent 12 hours and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow )

a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 01:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow )

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864346 << ty, this is a bug in vdiff for sure, i'll investigate ☝︎

asciilifeform: really mmap is the champ for disk i/o on unixlikes.

asciilifeform: ( once i finally shit out the cleaned/reground/keccakized genesis thereof, it's near in the conveyor )

mircea_popescu: i guess so. there were some other items scattered about re what should go in the config file for vtron

asciilifeform: iirc can even be set machinewide, but i fughet how

asciilifeform: it's a fairly simple fix, as i understand, gotta up the max stack

asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow ) ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had one of these not long ago !

mircea_popescu: <billymg> trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. <<< bwahahah ok this was pretty lulzy.

Mocky: my AC compressor on the roof had a problem. now these clowns didn't fix it but did manage to break the indoor fan and circuit board as well. and i gotta get up in 6 hours for this meet and greet. gonna be a sweaty night

Mocky: i would say that local virii stand no chance against me but that would jinx it

Mocky: and i mean it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm, back in states it's 9-5 strictly, but man pushing up on 1am and they still working and not seeing signals of competence...

Mocky: but i think it's because my AC has been our for 6 hrs, cuz totally

billymg: with whom i did not come in contact, otherwise would go without saying

BingoBoingo: I get a tonsilitis, billymg gets a cold... Under the two times coincidence rule if one more person gets sick this week, gotta call it biowarfare

billymg: i also added the libmcrypt ebuild here http://161.0.121.194/downloads/libmcrypt.ebuild.tar.gz

billymg: trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. working on mp-wp setup this afternoon (at reduced capacity) and was able to press and get it to http://161.0.121.194

asciilifeform: i'd buy a troo b&w crystal in a heartbeat, but nobody afaik ever made'em in usable ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859393 ) or near, res, or in such a way that'd electrically fit any available box ☝︎

BingoBoingo: I tried doing some digging and also found a still smaller 7" version

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, nuffin but samsung n30, n150, lenovo s10-2 (but not s10-3, i opened one and no dice, cabling too short) will eat the thing.

BingoBoingo: Dell made a 10" Latitude 'business netbook' which appears to be common in the online listings here (Marketing point was it is the robust netbook). I wonder if it will eat the Qi.

asciilifeform: the 'qi' crystal has '90s-style viewing angle, too. coupla degrees left or right and it's ~half visible. i suppose for some applications this, too, is win

asciilifeform: at least i can only with difficulty picture anybody wanting to steal it..

a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 20:16 asciilifeform: this will be a cuntoo box, when i get around to redisking it

asciilifeform: in moar minor noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863610 is a++ display but pretty sad box, i forgot just how rubbishy these were, cramped kbd with coarse molded plastic feels like sumthing straight from toy store, touch pad thing is the size of 2 postage stamps, arm rest creaks... ☝︎

Mocky: "they have respect so much" damn, only 10 days and I'm already doing english like the indians/philipinos/nigerians/ethiopians/tanzanians/wakandans etc.

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864270 >> I don't have everything sorted in my mind. I don't know yet what they need or perceive that they need. or how to position myself with respect to the microsoft/cisco/cornell they have respect so much. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <Mocky> that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff << "I am refugee from the US here to Make Great, Great Again"

mircea_popescu: lol dun take it so hard. i dunno you're doing anything wrong, what.

Mocky: hey, maybe if i actually was suave then could come up with how to explain the future to orcs, but i'll get more chances to try tomorrow in any case

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864252 << i guess i misspoke. what i meant was, "find someone who really really was desperately trying to buy btc but never could before, because insulated in the qtar shitland" ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:09 Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families.

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864258 - now I wonder what arab ghosts have left to wear ☝︎

mircea_popescu: you literally came from the future, all those boyiush fantasies of "what if i landed in medieval blabla" are ~this.

mircea_popescu: "i'm a guy who knows a lot of shit you orcs don't."

Mocky: "hello sir, i'm a nigerian prince with excellent business opportunities"

Mocky: that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff

mircea_popescu: it's weird, yers. but in the circumstances as i understand them, weird is 500x times better than trite, "hello sir, i r guampatambatam from my country india"

mircea_popescu: and don't be ashamed/shy away from saying things like "i'm a representative of the most serene republic of bitcoin, we're looking to build etc".

Mocky: I talk to people about what I'm doing here and I'm not really all that good at talking to people and I only half know wtf i'm doing here. i mean in a way that I can explain to randos and have it make sense

Mocky: i'm meeting 25 more people tomorrow at some meetup thing at a mall with gondola rides thru an interior canal

Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: I am sure there would be a lot less cars in Uruguay if motherfuckers weren't spending all day doing the Uber to pay for their cars

Mocky: i'm sure the qataris in lambos would love that angle

mircea_popescu: in retrospect is the #1 thing i like about him.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also a good idea. the girls know how many times i went "car license - 100k!"

Mocky: fwiw, i quite like it. all comers don't need to look in my windows and knock on my door

mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a bon mot i put out 20 years ago. "rich dude" of the warren buffett/alexander abramov was building house. very large, somerwaht brutalistic, remarkably small windows. "why are the windows so small ?!" "he's trying to re-create his prison experience".

Mocky: i get it now why ubers swarm like piranha, most need a taxi to get around

Mocky: i see a resemblance

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:38 diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be

mircea_popescu: i have a feeling all these discussions will be referenced lots and lots in future, i'd rather not have anything trashed later "for lack of evidence".

mircea_popescu: i'm saying they missed the convenient doping in the mental dielectric to allow the sparking of "this! what we do is THIS!"

mircea_popescu: but i'm not saying it shouldn't have been done or couldn't have been done just as well

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration << The more time I spend here the more horrifying the idea of a Buenos Aires is.

mircea_popescu: i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration

mircea_popescu: right, which is why i mention

mircea_popescu: i'd say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687624 ; but then again the suspicion in my mind is that this is the sort of thing thatd happen anyway. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: And in still other local news, the Tranny reparations bill passed. Trannys born before 1975 with documentation showing "persecution under the dictatorship" (i.e. commie scum) will be getting 11.000 pesos monthly. The estimates are 150-180 of these tranny reparations will be made, and I am guessing everyone receiving them will be an FA party member.

mircea_popescu: "he'll pick a lock and you'll be shot" "oh... i know ;(".

mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, was ~always~ the case. during soviet times, i recall older guy saying to (friend) who worked at jail, "god fucking help you if an actual thief ever ends up in there".

mircea_popescu: i'd say sqft of prison floor is actually slightly more deranged than sqft of starbucks

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly naively, i pictured that the clink is the 1 place that regularly frictions against actual-human folx. but whoknows, after N gens of reddit, this.

mircea_popescu: ioned tend to apply. "did that fix things ?" "i did what was in the book" "but did it work ?" "what do you want from me! what i do is just a gig! it's not my life!!!".

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll believe the hollywood escape is possible. All most of the kids here eat is hollywood.

mircea_popescu has exactly 0 intention of entertaining the "but i am your son!" bs in any case. everyone's someone's son, and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628787 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: much like EVEN NOW the cost of disease still fails to exceed the benefit from sexuate reproduction, i suspect the same applies there : any other drawbacks a social system may have, the fact it dun force you to put woman's children in your wot is still enough to bring it above water.

mircea_popescu talking to "party girl" at some point (ukr chick, too) about it : "don't you find it intolerable ?" "well... i think of it as a perpetual costume party in the street."