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mircea_popescu: i have this vague notion that the idea always was that you two will at some point summon a third.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855754 << join, you know, as in... add a third. ☝︎
mod6: Oh, you wanted a third? I didn't catch that.
mircea_popescu: well... ok, but that is a latter development that'd be a separate issue. you'd want a third AND a mod6 replacement then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856392 << i thought the idea was to add a third. what take over ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: the dreppers can, demonstrably, fuck up anyffing, if you let'em build a chair, it'll have a spiked cock protruding. and maybe six.
mircea_popescu: but it ... fucking is. and they have a binary format now, too. saw that ?
mircea_popescu: just as long as we don't end up with a "kernel module"
mircea_popescu: "some people who don't give a shit made this slop out of something or the other" mcdrepperism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i am opposing having a mcdonalds log.
mircea_popescu: (which is -- a bug ridden, half assed, "universal" ie dysfunctional, implementation of THE SAME SCRIPT)
mircea_popescu: rather than have a "system log".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have a script that collates the logs you want and produce a flow.
asciilifeform: tape printer is a constrained device, if you let >1 proggy operate it at same time, it will output garbage ( lines inside other lines etc )
mircea_popescu: now, intuitively, and from an actual electrical engineering standpoint, it seems intuitively right -- "rather than have wires through house connecting 9000 breakers, just have a mains breaker".
asciilifeform: sorta how yer house has a mains breaker that toggles whole panel, and not simply 50 individual breakers.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856387 << and if not figure out, at least work towards figuring out. there's a difference between "i found no rock but here's 500 clumps of earth i tried" and "i don't understand whart a rock would be" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but i very much disagree "systemwide" "log mechanism" is either acceptable or necessary. leaving "a good idea" way far behind and to the left.
asciilifeform: the whole unix permissions thing is a massive crock of shit
asciilifeform: and how to give just 1 process ? a group per process ? ugly.
mircea_popescu: make a fucking /log mount point, like you already have swap
diana_coman: mod6, I know what you mean re too-many-things-at-once (from my pov also, ideally 1 at a time but that's a luxury that I rarely get to fully indulge in, what can I say)
mod6: And before the republic, I was very much a one-thing-at-a-time type of engineer. Seems like over the last year or maybe 18 months, I feel like I'm context switching so much, that I find it hard to get deep into the thinking that I need to. For instance, it bothers me that I still haven't found time to work through FFA. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ft-free in face of this conflict requires deliberate effort involving multiple people, which in turn require management and guidance. 4. ``THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION'' will endeavour to provide these, while fostering community growth and development, under the general principle that if and when any other thing conflicts with Bitcoin, that other thing must either be discontinued or amended in such a way as to no longer conflict w
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856375 << let's give it a public reading, then. it says : "1. Bitcoin is a far reaching innovation with effects unknown and unknowable. 2. It is altogether probable that its effects will conflict with all currently established human conventions. 3. Maintaining the core values as established by the original author in the form of a reference implementation that is lightweight, coherent and cru ☝︎
diana_coman: I certainly think mod6 is and has been doing a great job in maintaining the v-tree for trb - and as I said before, I don't think it's something linked to tbf chair position
mod6: It's been a tough year. Somehow, we've got to make it work.
mod6: I feel like I can be pretty successful in doing that, it's the other things that I feel like I'm lacking -- a senseable direction to a 'Standford'. ☟︎
mod6: I love trb, and doing the foundation. I take a very measured, meticulous, methodical, and detail oriented approach to the work to provide a very sound patch set -- as best as I can.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856404 -> ugh; to my mind a chair position is precisely not a "here's detailed list of tasks" position, it can't be ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there were a number of leadership lines trying to deal with it. there was the cicero- "be manlier" writer line. there was the caesar "divine right of great people" line. there was the pre-nero/napoleon fuck it all and let's party line (recall the schmuck that adopted himself by a peon to qualify for plebeian dignities ?)
mircea_popescu: well, let us look into this. so at the time caesar was "pushing republic off cliff", the republic had a serious problem, which caesar hadn't created (the marii had created, and the bleg senate had created).
mod6: Pizarro, on the other hand, I'm more of a fish out of water. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:35 mircea_popescu: but yes, personal slaves of sultan. and i can see why, and i thought thence all the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856322 style comments. what i can't see is why they'd make them boys. orphans or not, there's still http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ that controls.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the advantage of a small oriental republic.
BingoBoingo really getting a kick out of seeing his everyday places in the news
diana_coman: PeterL - was waiting on your patch for the 255 instead of 256 error on keccak but since it didn't come, I patched it http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/comment-page-1/#comment-4254 ; ref http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856345 ☝︎
mod6: I think, and I guess I could be wrong here, that it could be a good time to bring in some new leadership to the foundation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: link to photo ? i'm not seeing a photo
BingoBoingo: ^ asciilifeform Does the photographed intersection look familiar (actual event reportedly a block or so north)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 04:01 asciilifeform: it's a q for the current board. i suggested to ask hanbot because hanbot is known as a very skilled organizational hand, and not currently running anyffing ( aside from, possibly, mircea_popescu's janissary corps )
mircea_popescu: but yes, personal slaves of sultan. and i can see why, and i thought thence all the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856322 style comments. what i can't see is why they'd make them boys. orphans or not, there's still http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ that controls. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Well, still apparently has quite a few of the orcs lit up. Still, something to go amongst the people and talk about.
mircea_popescu: well, a) shuffler is never live (mostly, because the legal trappings around it require the shuffling be redone in some circumstances -- such as malfunction.) with b) orcs can't sync a gfx.
mircea_popescu: a. lel.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 13:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in trb observatory : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/10_1_ProcessBlock.txt << anatomy of a 'noad behind'. whole night zoolag fed nuffin but 'bastards', and incl. by friendlies, in continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856264
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 15:24 mircea_popescu: and if experience with the empire of "i just want to" lazy idiots is any guide, they're DEFINITELY not going to "get in trouble for buying microsoft". because "nobody could have predicted" and "they were just doing their job" which "hey man, it's just a gig, it's not my life!"
mircea_popescu: the essence, inalienable and substantial, of all freedom, is global responsibility. yes this means that you may end up blindsided by landing empires of bugs. it also, together and inseparably, means that you may be a person, and things such as "i'm not about to tell you what comp lang to use" etc. as counterdistinct from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666454 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this stance informs my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837545 as well as my position here : there's very limited use for an enumeration of duties in a lordship forum. it's fine and dandy if any lord wishes to use it in training his own slaves, but this is pointedly not what i'm contemplating in these halls. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: an "employment contract", a writ which delineates what the ~~~SLAVE~~~ is to do is no kind of contract. its only use is for the slave to oppose to master, "but why should i be blamed for not doing x, it's not written in here".
mircea_popescu: the difference between these two is that if the alien empire of bugs attacks planet earth, and they land on my palace floor and litter it, the former girl will organize intergalactic war with mops and buckets, AND DIE ON THAT FUCKING FLOOR. to be buried later, in a taj mahal built for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: if i tell a girl "keep the palace floors clean", it's one thing. if i tell a girl "clean from here to here, this is your mop this is your detergent you're to be done by noon", it's another thing.
mircea_popescu: the process through which they succeeded this replacement was inventing a hallucinated "freedom" for slaves, a thing that can never be.
mircea_popescu: this is what the pantsuit do : call good bad and bad good. that's it. and if it doesn't stick, they don't care, they just repeat it. over a long enough interval, it'll end up sticking statistically, especially if left unopposed (and who has the resources to oppose sheer femidiocy ?).
mircea_popescu: consider by way of ilustration that frank sinatra has this reputation, unexamined, apodictic, of some kind of smooth, very sexually powerful operator. this reputation was built on the basis of a bunch of idiotic films written and directed by gene kelly, the adam sandler of the 40s, in which frank sinatra is POINTEDLY SEXUALLY INEPT.
mircea_popescu: a) the anti-humanity party, however temporarily called, "protestant", "presbyterian", "unitarian", "democratic", "civilized", "ecologist", "animal rightist" what have you -- they're still these people who plainly and simply hate human life as a thing.
mircea_popescu: i think the problems people in general encounter in conceptualizing contracts come from a very misfortunate but clearly delineated source, so let me belabour the matter to understand each other for all time.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me you're essentially saying "hey chairs, in recognition of how you've mostly failed to organize an experimental physics laboratory over half a decade, how about you produce a unified world theory on your way out".
asciilifeform: so to return to orig q , imho 'job of physicist' is 1st, and above all, to work so that 'physics' ~fits in head~ and thereby remains a legitimate item.
asciilifeform: physicist, who ~must~ look for a simpler equation that in fact may not exist; surgeon who must operate on the possibly-hopeless pre-corpse; detective, who must look for a robber who for all he knows maybe teleported; etc
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
asciilifeform: it ~preserves~ a valuable and continuously-attacked item.
asciilifeform: strictly from asciilifeform's pov, tbf is a (to date, imho very successful) ~conservative~ institution, rather like (pre-20th c) vatican.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Recieved a ping as well. Will update when in hand
diana_coman: I don't see that related to one specific chair, I guess; i.e. I don't even see a problem if mod6 wants to continue testing the patches and maintaining the tree even if he is not trb chair (not that he has to continue, but neither does he have to pass the job on if he is not chair anymore)
asciilifeform: as i observed just today and on 9000 occasions, even the simple thing of 'why can a trb node be 100 blox behind a fellow trb peer' is not yet licked
asciilifeform: fwiw i see my own work on trb, to date, as a ~defensive~ affair, i.e. to make whatever fixes req'd to keep the thing working precisely as it worked in 2009, in the face of the very real and continuing network rot / 9000 forms of active attack from heathendom to date
asciilifeform: it's a risk, not a 'certain doom'
asciilifeform: it is very much a question for the board, tho.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 04:35 mircea_popescu: every single insurance company in the world found itself genealogically related to insurers who made payments in the 1800s, resulting in a legal battle settled sometime in the 90s, ~90% award to the finding crew. the leader of which went into hiding soon thereafter, in the middle of various legal wranglings with his backers and crew.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 11:51 esthlos: trinque: asdf is used to join the pieces together (keccak, gpg, etc.) for use by the vtron proper. I tried to build the vtron modularly, and my understanding is that asdf is the standard for handling modules in common lisp. is there a better way to do package management in cl?
asciilifeform: i'm pretty curious why a trb node is able to answer pfrom->PushGetBlocks(pindexBest, uint256(0)); with ANYTHING other than the immediately-missing next block, when it is known to have it.
asciilifeform: ( after 'aggression' i find that this condition lasts a day or 2, max, but was quite curious re how it is able to come about to begin with. )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in trb observatory : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/10_1_ProcessBlock.txt << anatomy of a 'noad behind'. whole night zoolag fed nuffin but 'bastards', and incl. by friendlies, in continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856264 ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dhl sent me a 'crate delivery today, plz be there to sign' in re your thing
esthlos: trinque: asdf is used to join the pieces together (keccak, gpg, etc.) for use by the vtron proper. I tried to build the vtron modularly, and my understanding is that asdf is the standard for handling modules in common lisp. is there a better way to do package management in cl? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this wasn't a hostel. it literally was a migrant worker flophouse.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856041 << me (&chet) stopped overnight into one such item, on the mexico-guatemala border. endless halls of clean but modest beds, dozen or so to the room. place could've prolly quartered a whole regiment, but not the right agricultural moment so we were alone in the whole thing. it was pretty eerie anyways.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 03:22 mircea_popescu: diana_coman is that getting a patch or what ?
mircea_popescu: every single insurance company in the world found itself genealogically related to insurers who made payments in the 1800s, resulting in a legal battle settled sometime in the 90s, ~90% award to the finding crew. the leader of which went into hiding soon thereafter, in the middle of various legal wranglings with his backers and crew. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other random lulz : the panic of 1857 was at least in part generated by a ship carrying 14 tons of gold towards new york sinking in a hurricane (took a whole day to sink, boiler slowly died leaving them without power, quite the adventure, 500 people died, the captain was kinda cool etc). some people from ohio found it ("bayesian search!!!") in the 80s.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 03:31 mircea_popescu: (and, amusingly enough, the founding donation was a whole of a lot less than 10 bitcoin, also.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856280 << to put specifics to this, the original endowment was set at $5mn during meeting with harvard president (who came up with the speciffic gimmick too, stanfords were thinking of "A combined museum-lecture hall" and such nonsense). 1885 us gdp was something like 60bn, and the us was barely 1% of the world at the time. meanwhile 10 btc is 1/1.6mn of monetary mass or somesuch. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's a q for the current board. i suggested to ask hanbot because hanbot is known as a very skilled organizational hand, and not currently running anyffing ( aside from, possibly, mircea_popescu's janissary corps ) ☟︎
hanbot: sure. well, i'd want a day or two to sit with the charter & selected logs before committing, if the involved parties'll have me.
asciilifeform: aa, a this
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856273 << i dunno who's unsatisfied, but it aint me, i'd call another 4y exactly like prev 4y, a win ☝︎
hanbot: inasmuch as tbf clearly has a soul i'd think being true to that trumps the potential growth offered by a given gimmick. otherwise why isn't it for instance spreading virii?
mircea_popescu: the difference between gimmicks is that some work and some don't ; nobody calls the stanford gimmick by its name for the exact same reason "treason never prospers". but the whole "enlightenment" pantsuit gambit, from the original d'alembert to the present day, was nothing but a gimmick.
mircea_popescu: organize a baby duck marathon competition and server the winner for a gala dinner. whatever it is, just make it stick.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit how. sponsor a sports team, for all i care. god knows the charter's written openly enough to not get in anyone's way who wants to do things.
hanbot: oh i know how to undo stanford university, ya just walk around campus in a Cal sweatshirt.
hanbot: i mean, is it meant to be a chute-to-l1 or simply doesn't get enough lifeform contact?
mircea_popescu: (and, amusingly enough, the founding donation was a whole of a lot less than 10 bitcoin, also.) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: stanford university exists because a rich dood took some money out of his pocket, stuffed it in a bag and wrote "Stanford university" on it.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is that getting a patch or what ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/comment-page-1/#comment-4219 << check out peterl!
asciilifeform: ( i expect the cure will be a 1liner, once i think of where exactly )
mod6: I will do so formally after the Pizarro report is complete. We will be needing to find a replacement for myself as Co-Chair.
mod6: After a lot of consideration this weekend, I'm still interested in stepping down as Foundation Co-Chair.