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diana_coman: not exactly confusion, just ...stumble I guess

diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's like a 1ms internal, perceptible interpreting-slowdown every time I meet bit/byte

asciilifeform: in own proggies, i like using explicitly-bitted types, e.g. Unsigned_8 in http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis#L441

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i actually have 0 objections to 'octet', tho i confess i never suffered from 'bit'-'byte' conflation ( never worked on a box with 7 or 9 bit bytes, e.g. the CDC described in 1st ed k&r -- tho i did work on boxes with odd word lengths, e.g. pic16, where 14bit nonbreakable word... )

mircea_popescu: aaactually, ill tell you what i can do : im going to teh beach. back thurs or some shit!

mircea_popescu: yeah. i guess a history of c cultural sadness is showing in my preoccupatons huh.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i can see it ; i like octet also, but yeah, can't start forcing this cultural issue on people. a one line define i guess only reasonable approach at this point.

esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two ☝︎

diana_coman: ftr I quite like the neat way in which asciilifeform defined those basic types in FFA; however, he went for the classical types so byte, nibble ; and I find octet SO much easier than I'm reluctant to give it up in my code (though all it takes is anyway a "subtype Octet is Byte" at top if Byte definition is to be adopted)

diana_coman: that being said, names are one thing, definition of the types another: i.e. every packet and project still needs to define/have defined somewhere the types it uses

diana_coman: hm, theoretically the byte is standard but there is the bit/byte confusion issue and moreover I really find octet easier on brain as it directly points at "it's eight bits!"

mircea_popescu: i dunno, make everything a byte ? or an octet

diana_coman: on one hand libs on their own should logically have their own types; on the other hand, when they are used as part of a bigger project, it makes sense I think to make their types subtypes - where they fit/are the same

bvt: hi, i have mp-wp set up now: http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/instead-of-hello-world-fg-tests/ . I will publish writeup and updated vpatch for vpatch later today. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 22:44 asciilifeform: relatedly, mod6 et al, i suggest abolition of '-verifyall' flag, it should really be permanently welded on, bypassing sig tests doesn't win ~anyffin in so far as i can tell

a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 01:51 mod6: Gotta catch up on l0gz and the rest. In particular, I'm just about nowhere on my task of creating answers to FAQs/Common Questions about the Foundation itself. I'll be working on that this week as a main priority - will post what I have for review/comments/corrections in #trilema by end of weekend.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 01:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865261 << incidentally i dun see how these are mechanically distinguishable from a node's pov

a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 23:17 asciilifeform: thinking about it, i can actually conceive of 1 possible constructive use for programmable cements -- testing the reorg mechanism ( i.e. deliberately steer a node into a dead end chain, then restart uncemented and see whether it finds its way back properly )

mod6: I can't disagree with that.

mod6: Meanwhile... my node is happily eating blocks to catch back up. On block 64 of 85. Will be a few days yet, I'm certain.

mod6: I've got a pile of things, really. :D

mod6: The creation of a keccak trb tree is still on the to-do list; however, one thing kinda proceeds that item for me - a review / testing of keccak implementation. I've never had a chance to do that yet, and I think it's important.

asciilifeform: but thats all i had on ml in recent times

mod6: Anyway, like I said, need to go back and rewind the logs a week.

mod6: Oh, my bad, there was just one. For some reason, I thought that I read there were two.

mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your recent submissions to the ML. I'll get to reviewing those as soon as I can.

mod6: Gotta catch up on l0gz and the rest. In particular, I'm just about nowhere on my task of creating answers to FAQs/Common Questions about the Foundation itself. I'll be working on that this week as a main priority - will post what I have for review/comments/corrections in #trilema by end of weekend. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i have not observed this on trb to date, but it is precisely the q i was posing, whether can happen ( i.e. reorg logic fails ) in some possible alignment of planets.

mod6: I'm currently about a week behind here...

asciilifeform: i.e. perma-wedge ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865261 << incidentally i dun see how these are mechanically distinguishable from a node's pov ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: but if anyone observed a longer one ( whether naturally occurring, that i slept through somehow, or artificial on testbed ) i'd like to know.

asciilifeform: i definitely watched a 60 blox reorg, but this was in pre- trb era

asciilifeform: cuz i can't say that i have, on my watch

asciilifeform: thinking about it, i can actually conceive of 1 possible constructive use for programmable cements -- testing the reorg mechanism ( i.e. deliberately steer a node into a dead end chain, then restart uncemented and see whether it finds its way back properly ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: of course, removing the checkpoints thing entirely would give this also. ( i dun recall if anyone ever gave convincing case for whether they oughta stay or go, and if stay, wai not selectable )

billymg: diana_coman: thanks! i see your point about the footnotes, they could use some visual separation from the main content

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc ben_vulpes had an experiment that demanded custom 'checkpoints' but i do not nao recall what it was ( and can't seem to turn up in l0gz )

asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dI29G/?raw=true << very peculiar barfology from existing ( same tarball i successfully used for s.mg box ) cuntoo. sat for 4 hrs, built both gcc's, etc., then ended with this.

mircea_popescu: i can't imagine it being useful for current.

asciilifeform: i can't picture wanting any old cpp crapola in trbi in general

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865024 -> not bad; billymg maybe get the footnotes code to properly link back ; also, place/formatting of footnotes is a bit weird atm - at the first read I thought those were some summary-list rather than footnotes ☝︎

asciilifeform: relatedly, mod6 et al, i suggest abolition of '-verifyall' flag, it should really be permanently welded on, bypassing sig tests doesn't win ~anyffin in so far as i can tell ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: really it's a quite dangerous grenade, if used ineptly. ( i personally would only dare to feed it a tape that came out of own node )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated to anyffing: i have a tentative thing that eats a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864354 and gives trb option of replacing 'checkpoints' with it ( i.e. on boot, tests all already-stored blox against it, and if any blox in the tape are not yet present, then it requests & accepts them and only them, 1 at a time ). do we want this for field use ? (if so i can put on conveyor for cleanup) ☝︎☟︎

billymg: what if i submitted a vpatch that adds the js-text-selection feature and the few lines of CSS to the "default" theme in mp-wp (blue header one)? ☟︎

billymg: BingoBoingo: i could definitely do that, wanted to add it to my own as the first step

BingoBoingo: Prolly rather sickly. In this sunny place I am surrounded by sickly looking pale freaks.

Mocky: makes me wonder what i'd look like white! :D

BingoBoingo: <Mocky> it's funny to see "face whitening cream" on the grocery shelf next to shaving cream and tooth brushes. i always assumed it was just michael jackson and brown chicks with dark blemishes wanting to bleach skin << Apparently it is a big Asian thing. The prospect of it being here makes me very cautious about sunscreen selections.

BingoBoingo: billymg: I hadn't seen that one yet. Nice take on the TrannyCoC problem.

Mocky: oh and in more important news, i got a line on where to buy a waffle maker here. went to the store and they actually do sell them. but ... sold out. which is probably for the best since they were selling a model worth 17$ that makes one at a time for 80$

billymg: right now i have two items in my queue 1) figure out how to submit a vpatch for mp-wp with those few lines of CSS tweaks on the default theme 2) write a completely custom mp-wp theme

billymg: this is something i had thought of before

lobbes: billymg: ty for the offer. however ticker functionality will be intimately married to the auction database, so I'm going to want to own that completely. However, auxiliary logs for the various chans is something in demand (#pizarro, for example, just has the one logotron atm). That being said, there may be more pressing needs in the general tmsr conveyor

Mocky: it's funny to see "face whitening cream" on the grocery shelf next to shaving cream and tooth brushes. i always assumed it was just michael jackson and brown chicks with dark blemishes wanting to bleach skin

a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 00:21 asciilifeform: i can see a legit pov for the 'no sql' folx. 'you will NOT introduce programmerolade into our process flow, creating work for maggots like yerself and marrying our corp to your lazy and entitled arse' approx.

billymg: lobbes: i might be able to help with that if you're looking for hands, but i think i first need to spend a few weeks getting comfortable with V before i'll be of much use

asciilifeform: 'excel' is archaetypical pseudo-automation -- eats ~more~ hours in babysitting and manual i/o , than ever saved anyone vs plain pen-and-paper

asciilifeform: the instruments for which they didn't have 'excel'-izers, were i/o'd by... human hands

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865074 << eventually I aim to have a 'tickerbot' (which, will actually be a function of auctionbot) that will spit out a btc/fiat price based off of the results of republican auctions of a specific type (i.e. to do the price formation of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860078, automatically) ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 20:16 Mocky: I've met a ton of excel lovers who think php is fantastic. seems to appeal greatly to a certain type

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865066 << ugh I've met too many of these at my $work. ☝︎

billymg: ah, i thought you meant the final visual output

billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865096 << which? this is where i can help ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc i last changed mine in... 2008, or so

mircea_popescu: anyway, the point re "redesign" is sound. i comissioned the theme 10 years ago, never really changed it. rolling daily headers came kinda midway, but it literally is one line.

mircea_popescu: i don't see that it does ; nor is ram expensive enough to justify work.

billymg: Mocky: sort of a hand-rolled "static site generator"? i've used jekyll in the past and from what i remember this is how it worked

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865071 >> I'm totally with you on that. I already "recompile" my whole site from src ascii docs when publishing every post and takes more than 10s ☝︎

asciilifeform: billymg: ( trb, for instance, doesn't even support dns lookup. i cut it with own hands; eats bare ip. )

asciilifeform: i suspect quite a bit of the 'arbitrary substitutions for style dressing' that folx expect from blog engine, are not actually necessary; just how often does one fiddle with the dressings.

Mocky: I've met a ton of excel lovers who think php is fantastic. seems to appeal greatly to a certain type ☟︎

asciilifeform: Mocky: i think i've yet to meet somebody who wouldn't rather write msdos batch script, than php..

Mocky: i can't stomach php, which probably sounds rich coming from hardcore java dude. my www is static files and one old school cgi to python for comments ☟︎

asciilifeform: would be pretty great if instruction to 'i want blog' n00b wasn't 'install this here 200MB of ??? liquishit', but instead 'build this here 100kB ada'.

lobbes: would be a nice luxury to have. Every time I've used php, I wished I wasn't using

asciilifeform: but, for instance, i dun have php on dulap, and like it that way

asciilifeform: lobbes: what i meant was, there is long list of actually urgent proggies, this one's definitely a luxury; thus far ~errybody is living with mp-wp and not particularly sad

lobbes: on my conveyor, absolutely. I still need to 1) finish de-heathenizing lobbesbot's functions 2) redo #eulora logs 3) get auxiliary #pizarro logs up 4) probably something I'm forgetting

asciilifeform: it is far on the conveyor, i suspect

lobbes: hm interesting. I too have hands tied up but have been meaning to get a few chapters of ffa under my belt. I'll jot this idea down for far off in the conveyor if someone else doesn't get to it first (and by all means, Someone: feel free to beat me to this punch)

asciilifeform: tho i suspect it would be simpler mechanism than on the surface it appears.

asciilifeform: lobbes: imho a 100%-adatronic thing that could serve http and dish up blog etc. without dragging in apache.nginx,php,sql,etc., would rock. but sadly i dun have anything like the # of free hands for such a thing currently

lobbes: btw, if you end up needing it I have a guide out on how to configure apache to handle bot spam directed at your blog >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/arming-your-arm64-rockchip-gentoo-against-the-hordes-of-mindless-bots/

lobbes: I'll keep my eyeballs peeled for any funky behavior

billymg: i.e. the part where i get stuck fighting with portage while trying to install php

billymg: i realized while writing that the middle portion sort of veers away from "guide" and more into "retrospective" format but figured it would be best to just get something out for people to read/comment on

billymg: i also made some very minor tweaks to the default theme's css, mostly for my own sake

billymg: i have billymg.com as well but i'm not sure if that's what i want to use yet

mircea_popescu: i mean, since you have the pumping infrastructure, costs comparatively little to isolate one room and do w/e in there, microscopy.

asciilifeform: it doesn't. was pointing out that you dun get 'clean room' simply from central air pump. at least none of the ones i've used, even with the fancy electrostatic trap thing.

mircea_popescu: i don't get it, this is different with miniunits ?

mircea_popescu: "but mp, why would anyone want that!!" "i dunno, same reason anyone would want a large icebox" "inconceivabru. the global market for cars is maybe 12 units."

asciilifeform: right, no moths in desert. but i expect qataris will defo not change filter, 'out of principle'

asciilifeform: whereas the samsungs, i expect, are treated as ~disposables

a111: Logged on 2018-10-21 19:58 Mocky: so far so good. gotta see how well I fit in at these 5 star hotels

asciilifeform: 1 for erry room, i think.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864571 << this is so fucking stupid, ftr. i can't conceive why one wouldn't put in central air if needs air conditionning. ☝︎