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asciilifeform: davout: chances are there is a crackpot pseudoimplementation of bitcoin in every language, cobol, malbolge, befunge, by this point. they are of 0 interest because not trb !
asciilifeform: none of this ~everything-linked-to-everything~ tumour mass plox.
davout: asciilifeform: have you tried bitcoin-ruby?
asciilifeform: if i want to flush the mempool, ditto.
asciilifeform: none of this 'last six digits' nonsense.
asciilifeform: if i want to know where tx # .... is --- let's have it.
asciilifeform: sorta where i wanted to go with 'shiva', gimme a console
a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 17:05 trinque: as far as the lying wire is concerned, that's solved by a different gadget
trinque: isn't this another http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-06#1578431 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 19:38 mircea_popescu: let user pick checksum. this is the only right way to do this.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586084 <<< "show user checksums on demand so he can burn the system down if it doesn't match" sounds sufficient to me ☝︎
mircea_popescu: don't sweat it alf, eventually there will be a fork.
asciilifeform: and it is quite regrettable imho that it cannot be entirely bulldozed in bitcoin as it is.
mircea_popescu: even that aside - there's no "propagation" excuse in this usecase.
asciilifeform: the 'headers' thing is abominable.
asciilifeform: (except fuck the idiot blockheaders thing! hash entire fucking blocks)
mircea_popescu: let user pick checksum. this is the only right way to do this. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is still the correct thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes iirc the discussion at the time ended with me pointing out it should be made arbitrary to user's choice.
asciilifeform: well yes, in the literal martian scenario, 'what do i do if a shell hits my trench?' 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around'
ben_vulpes: aight so i can drop checkpoints.cpp then?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i complain that you construct a problem that necessarily may not have a solution.
mircea_popescu: this whole "humans are inferior ; aliens come ; but humans still manage to somehow" is rank nonsense, not how things play out, nor how things should play out, nor how anyone wants them to play out.
asciilifeform: as i understand, mircea_popescu objects , that this is an imaginary solution to the quadratic, that there is no physically plausible scenario that follows this path.
mircea_popescu: that's broadly the idea - "mommy, what should i do if johnny wants to plug my virgin ass ?" "don't let him ?" "what if i can't ?" "you can" "what if magical alien from afar comes and he has magical powers and i really can't ?" "oh, no, HIM you spread for."
asciilifeform: somebody ( ben_vulpes ? ) ~did~ advance the argument that if martian lands and has enough hash, and wants to use it to orphan block # 2, he ought to be able to and we ought to live with the result, iirc.
mircea_popescu: if you do this - you may not anymore deny the other implications of magical unicorn. such as you know, someone eating jam and shitting whole plums.
asciilifeform: which was my only argument - that it would be stupid.
mircea_popescu: but it contains a counterfactual of the nature of magical unicorn.
asciilifeform: it's a thought experiment ! of course it contains a counterfactual. no one afaik is dumb enough to actually do this.
mircea_popescu: in the memorylessness.
asciilifeform: where is the 'magical' ?
mircea_popescu: i am aware magic readily transmutes.
mircea_popescu: listen, randomly transmuting the magical unicorn into magical octopi etc isn't going to work.
mircea_popescu: magical type 3
asciilifeform: it is in re the earlier gedankenexperiment. say trb operators stuck to the 'grandfather's pistol' principle entirely, and kept no record, other than current copy of blockchain, of the past. no checksums, etc.
davout: ben_vulpes: then no :)
mircea_popescu: see, now we have the burden on the right side.
mircea_popescu: show me this feasibility.
mircea_popescu: so then what are you talking about.
mircea_popescu: your life, in ALL its respects - !!!!IMPORTANT!!! NOT IN SOME RESPECTS YOU AGREE TO !!!!IMPORTANT!!! - is not certain.
davout: ben_vulpes: today's thread?
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what, if anything , is to be done about it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno about you, but my nodes are blackholed more often than not.
mircea_popescu: nor can you extract guarantees. there's no guarantee stamped on gravitaqtion iether.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you proceed from this very strange place. nobody owes you any guarantees.
asciilifeform: show me the guaranteed noncornered node.
ben_vulpes: davout: this is the 'sybil' thread, yes?
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware various magicks are readily transmutable.
davout: asciilifeform: bitcoin makes no guarantees that you'll be fine if *all* your peers are compromised
asciilifeform: it isn't magical in any sense, you and i can do it right now -- e.g., mine an alternate block #300,000 and feed it to a cornered node.
mircea_popescu: one who comes with magical unicorn alternative can not thereby pretend to invalidate the rest of the magical unicorn implications.
asciilifeform: davout: see the mitm point further down in the thread. a ~simulated~ yottahash is just as good for the purpose.
asciilifeform: davout: besides the point
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 18:38 asciilifeform: yes but then martian shows up with yottahash or whatnot and you fork off.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585962 <<< in this case there's quite a few other ways in which the can fuck you ☝︎
asciilifeform: ng to Qatar in June and was detained last week...'
asciilifeform: g terror groups, but could punish people who fight on the other side, according to analysts. ... “How can I pose a threat to Denmark and other countries by being a soldier in an official army that Denmark trains and supports directly in the fight against the Islamic State?” she wrote on Facebook after officials took her passport. The potential 6-month prison sentence stems from the travel ban violation. Palani admitted to traveli
asciilifeform: in other monkeystans, 'Joanna Palani, a 23-year-old Danish woman, was facing a 6-month prison sentence after fighting alongside Kurdish peshmerga forces in Iraq and Syria, The Local reported. Palani had her passport confiscated last year after she returned to Denmark, and was hit with a one-year travel ban, for violating the nation's so-called "foreign fighter" rules. The regulations were aimed at stopping Danish citizens from joinin
mircea_popescu: http://christianfighterpilot.com/2016/08/29/army-major-general-david-haight-fired-for-who-he-loves/ << of course trump can undo it :)
asciilifeform: evidently d00d drank a bit too much, dropped some loose lips re heiling tritler or such.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares who some guy fucks ffs.
asciilifeform: s for a lieutenant colonel and a two-star general with 30 years in the Army. And it slams the door on what was once a promising career. Army Secretary Eric Fanning approved the board's recommendation and made the final decision. The spokesman was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly so spoke anonymously.'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, 'An Army major general has been stripped of his stars and forced out of the military after a 30-year military career because of a long extramarital affair and "swinger" lifestyle. An Army spokesman says Maj. Gen. David Haight was demoted by three steps to the rank of lieutenant colonel, a steep and rare downgrade for a senior officer. The demotion will cost him more than $40,000 in annual retirement pay, based on pay scale
mircea_popescu: deindustrialization dun enter into this ; de-"personalization" as personhood is currently misrepresented in the west however - does.
mircea_popescu: be that all it may, the ~correct~ reaction is strictly http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-133.333-133.381
mircea_popescu: we're discussing what software runs on black box. you propose "hey, it's trying to cut gangrene in such a way as to do maximal damage to enemies". yes, this may be, as a generous interpretation. the more common interpretation however is to say there's exactly no cutting.
asciilifeform: it'll try again, again, why not, why should, from its pov, dirty orcs lord over 200-300 additional years of nonrenewables.
asciilifeform: 'apple' already tried to 'buy russia' in '41.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the less generous one is as set out in "apple could buy russia"
mircea_popescu: anyway, you're right in that the "free world" is significantly impeded in sane / reasonable reaction by the unwarranted, wholly baseless conceit that "all people matter", so they can't go on tv and tell every woman she has a week to find a master after which will be packed on catle ship and auctioned off in iran.
asciilifeform: let's have the less generous one? for education
mircea_popescu: this is the most generous interpretation.
asciilifeform: such that the bricks fall on designated untermenschen when possible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the death of the 'fat consumer' system is not optional, it's an exponential/runaway growth hallucinatory nonsense. the lizard deindustrialization program is in re the ~controlled demolition~ of same. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and as per http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ the absolutely imbecile generation STILL wants to pretend the conversation is about how racist it is to not allow faggots to "marry" ; rather than about how idiotic it is to pretend russia is an enemy and africa's an ally ; or that deindustrialization is a reasonable response to anything.
mircea_popescu: the ~entire thing is just how much the chinese want to and can convince the russians that significant and sufficiently humilatory concessions will be forced out of the us side so they forego actually taking scalps.
mircea_popescu: the sad truth of the matter is that the us has spent the past few decades giving most initiative away. the fate of the world is not significantly decided in washington at the present time.
BingoBoingo: How many days did it take te world to got to shit following Franz Ferdinand?
mircea_popescu: this matters less than you'd think.
asciilifeform: his obummeristic majesty sits on throne for another month.
mircea_popescu recalls roman emperor who did this exact thing, had an uncharacteristically smooth rule thereafter.
mircea_popescu: have the russians shoot them.
mircea_popescu: but the truth is, this is perfect time for trump to rid himself of the best and brightest of the "progressive" nigger set.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that members of various the various states' college of electors < since we're on it
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/fP5Ce >> 'Trump’s insistence on channeling Putin’s propaganda may reflect a more permanent and creepier mindset that refuses to see Russia as a foe of the West. If the latter, how far will this go — blocking sanctions? Acceding to Russian aggression? The suspicion that Trump is Putin’s lapdog has cast a shadow over his secretary of state nominee, who is distinguished only by his chumminess with Putin.' << t
mircea_popescu: the turks released dataz.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/russian-ambassador-to-turkey-assasinated/ << Qntra - Russian Ambassador To Turkey Assasinated
mircea_popescu: would tmsr again.
mircea_popescu: the russkis are prolly going to double-tap anyway owing to fears of "who knows, maybe the dysfunctional shielf works".
mircea_popescu: not really how that game is played. argentina is an entirely agricultural shithole, nukes go after industry.
asciilifeform: for 1st time since hitler got his new flat
asciilifeform: eh mircea_popescu probably earned the place a spot in target grid
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to evacuate to ba i'll get you a place to stay.
mircea_popescu: iers, except maybe one in china sea. at which point obama may or may not launch the nukes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to be fair here : the russians have no interest in waiting ; putin might be uncharacteristically meek, but in general a half dozen us ambassadors starting with the resident in manilla within the next week-10days is perfectly possible. at which point obama actually having the gall to call natl emergency and set aside the transfer of power is not entirely inconceivable. after which the russians WILL sink all the us carr ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://openpgp.org/software <<< aaaah apparently not only koch liquishit but 'here pick from this long list of shitwares, ALL GREAT!111'
asciilifeform: (other than the rfc)
mats: you, me, might literally be Hitler if we take ourselves too seriously
asciilifeform: mats: it's flipped to 'spoke with kako in past month' gear, still, takes a while to move it