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mircea_popescu: hm, actually,
the hashes don't even check out. how was 702d... produced ?
mircea_popescu: what you can't do is go back in
time and agree at
the juncture you actually meant
to ; but
the important point here is :
mircea_popescu: well, you just did my a->b b->a in
three elements of which one is spurious after claiming a->b b->a is not it.
mircea_popescu: yes but
the next patches fail
to reference
the genesis.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
this can't press ; 846f (genesis) is not used subsequently ?
mircea_popescu might have just made
the world's subtlest point about recursion.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 17:23
trinque
trying
to wrap brain around whether
this is a failure mode or universally
true, but will have
to implement
tail recursion optimization in his own head first
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587182 << speaking of
this, here's a question for
the eager : a diophantine equation is a multivariate polynomial, something like ax+by^2 = 0.
the question is : given an arbitrary finite set of known-good equations, can you use recursion
to decide whether an arbitrary equation in
the same variables is good (has integer solution) or no good ?
☝︎☟︎☟︎ davout: the first
things i get when looking into
this waka
thing are indeed nasty
mircea_popescu: (we'll skip over
the entire "waka" incident for
the sake of public morals.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: all
this would have been avoided if a) people correctly observed
that roy fielding is fundamentally incapable of having ideas,
through not being in
the wot.
mircea_popescu: something ; and
the decerebrated mechanism will
try
to shoehorn it in, python 3 style, because IF
THEY DO NOT,
then academiatardism collapses altogether.
they are if you will
the academia fans, expending
their own labour
to support
the fiction
they enjoy.
mircea_popescu: davout i am fwiw satisfied
the problem is as follows :
that fielding schmuck is an academitard.
therefore publish or perish. meanwhile for incomprehensible reasons people decided
to name some obvious item "rest" and reference him, as if he had anything
to do.
this created
the basis for an academitard position for him, and put him in
the publish or perish wringer. so he came up with
the other
thing, because gotta come up with
mircea_popescu: ok. and in order
to make b, you must have c's hash, yes ?
mircea_popescu: so let's examine
this
theoretically. in order
to make c, you must have a's hash, yes ?
mircea_popescu: i suspect
there's another protocol issue at stake here.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 12:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's
take
the simplest cycle : a->b and b->a ;
to do
this, a must contain
the hash of b ; and b must contain
the hash of a. how do you propose
to accomplish
this ?
mircea_popescu: "since
the link was no longer displayed,
the spambots are deterred!"
davout: because APIs *have*
to be clever, because
these people are
too good for documentation
davout: god, whoever came up with HATEOAS deserves a bullet in
the head
mircea_popescu: "oh light of
the heavens, divine dove, bring me a glass of water" "honey, i lost you at dove. you want an omlet ?"
mircea_popescu: “My heart!
The light of my eyes! You are
the heroes of Iraq, may God protect you. My soul, my heroes! But for God’s sake get out of
the street and
take cover from
that sniper!” << bwhahaha
this is just how arabic goes,
too.
mircea_popescu: like how much money is paid
to various military positions in
the us.
davout: what's
that 0-9
thing?
mircea_popescu: reviewing
the
travail d'americain
the sysadmin puts in, it should come at no surprise
that
the us last won a war when
the europeans ran
the effort for
them,\
mircea_popescu just checked, o-9 pay grade is from 14.5k
to 18k A MONTH. it is literally a better deal
to be an entry level sysadmin working in pasadena
than a lieutenant-general working in baghdad.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (and check out
the uniforms, everyone in iraq is O-9 ?!)
mircea_popescu: (i suppose also lulzy,
that
the front wheel cover has hinges, whereas
the back one is screw-mounted. why not
the other way around ?)
mircea_popescu: in
these parts of
the world it's un
travail d'argentinian.
mircea_popescu: (of all
the weird
therein included, it's of particular amusement
to me
that
they do have
the slant, but
that
they evidently introduced it graphically rather
than numerically. nobody did
the math required
to see how
that front apex should go ; it's just
there because "that's how
tanks look", forget blast flow simulations etc.)
mircea_popescu: "In a new photo report purportedly released by
the Islamic State, an ISIS suicide car bomber attacks Iraqi forces in
the Intisar neighborhood of east Mosul, Iraq.
The photo report was released on ISIS
terrorist channels on December 22."
shinohai: The rebels were running out of
TP, so
the letters may come in handy in
that regard.
mircea_popescu: of
the printed mail-order-catalogue sort, because apparently nobody cares about
twitter and myspace over
there natch.
mircea_popescu: in further news nobody cares about, "4 million letters of 'empathy, support' dropped on Mosul".
this
thing, which was a) going
to be a war
that b) was going
to
take
two weeks
twelve weeks ago (and
then a month, and
then
two, and here we are) has now degenerated in a fucking spam offensive.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger well, maybe
that'll make someone somewhere believe
these matter! usg doing its best
to support
teh economy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's
take
the simplest cycle : a->b and b->a ;
to do
this, a must contain
the hash of b ; and b must contain
the hash of a. how do you propose
to accomplish
this ?
☟︎ Framedragger: << "The U.S. government quietly began requesting
that select foreign visitors provide
their Facebook,
Twitter and other social media accounts upon arriving in
the country"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 16:36
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Emin is pushing SGX like solutions. Seems everyone is infected with security
theatre
these days.
davout: asciilifeform: has
to be 3
times in a row iirc
mod6: yeeep, lot of
testing.
mod6: then once we agree
that mine does what is deemed 'correct' others can use
the
tests
to prove
their own out.
mod6: this next round of refactoring for
this might be some work, but in
the end, i aught
to write a bunch of
these
tests into automated ones.
mod6: agreed. we're getting
there one bit at a
time.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may feel a bit
tedious/stupid/etc
to keep workign
these basics, but it'll pay off in
time
mircea_popescu: but
the idea was, put just alf in wot, cut a seal midway, see what happens.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah, if it's a (2 sigs) -> b(2 sigs) -> c(1 sig) -> d(2 sigs again)
then it's a valid press.
mircea_popescu: ie, if someone can close a cycle, it's not
time
to negrate, it's
time
to get a better hash.
mod6: yeah, if im in
the wot
too, and I have a valid sig
to
that one,
then it's ok.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 05:04 asciilifeform: if you ever see one, you gotta find and negrate
the joker who closed
the cycle.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 04:52 mod6: because
there are other routes everywhere else
that can follow.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 02:19 mircea_popescu: mod6 i read
through
http://www.mod6.net/v-99994-trace.txt and indeed it seems right and proper vtronics. one q
though : was
there any patch not signed by asciilifeform interspersed in
the flow ? because
that's
the only not
tested case i
think, if you have say a->b->c->d where a, c and d are signed by x. does it stop at a ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 04:49 mod6: are you saying, in my flow, in
these
traces, when i remove a middle vpatch or sig,
that it shouldn't show anything in
the flow after
the breakage even if
there are vpatches with valid sigs
that correspond
to wot entities present?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 04:41 phf:
there's no "correct" with v graphs, and every
two months or so i spent some
time meditating on what a v graph even is
mircea_popescu checks,
the only
time i even said
the word it was used as a noun.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 23:57 asciilifeform: we had
this with at least 1 d00d who i respected (spandrel/'bloody shovel')
mircea_popescu: anyway, he probably WILL hate
this place, what with his bizarre notions of ethics etc. but whatevs.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 23:56 Framedragger: (mp suggested
to invite him over, and here i am childishly fearing
that he'll hate
this place, mp will decide
that he's not mp-complete/ready, and
that's gonna be
that. i know, sad.)
mod6: also, as a note, i'll leave
the anti-fuzz change in
this new version -- it seems ~more~ correct
than previous impl.
mod6: not 100% positive, but I seem
to recall
trying
this once. i
think my
thing broke with a 'cyclic graph!' or something
mod6: fwiw, i believe i've even
tested
this once by creating a special patch
that pointed
to an earlier patch in
the flow.