asciilifeform: 'nethash' may give one side of the equation (hash), but other (power) remains a mystery

asciilifeform: look at the hash per power figures << who wants to share a link to an experimenter they trust, with valid measurements? because why would i believe a word that ever came out of the manufacturers' mouths (proven liars, to a man, afaik)

asciilifeform: 'companies that go bankrupt are a danger to healthy competition. They are able to make their creditors and shareholders pay for their losses and bad management and then to start anew with assets that they essentially got for free, quite unlike the competition that has not gone bankrupt, who have to pay full price for their assets, but quite similar to how their customers have wanted their products, for too little money.' ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3199109843356887@naggum.net.html

asciilifeform: re: bankrupt: obligatory naggum:

asciilifeform: damnatio memoriae.

asciilifeform: 'hushmail' << checkmate

asciilifeform: these have approximately the same relationship with 'proper' asic as 'visual basic' turdware has with traditional computer program by reasonably-competent student of 'c'.

asciilifeform: aka 'structured asic'

asciilifeform: (re: miner asics: anyone who gives a damn can find, in #b-a logs, my reasonably well-supported hypothesis that miner asic never actually -happened.- that is, there are devices, and they - approximately - work, but they are not 'asics' in the traditional sense. more 'hardcopy fpga.' - actual term of art) ☟︎

asciilifeform: or give to city dogcatcher, it's for the soap boilers

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: present << a defunct fabless asic co? you can keep that one

asciilifeform: they could as easily write 300, 30, or 3e-10

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is the skepter of lizard hitler worth? the 300mn is simply the figure usg saw fit to write into the work of fiction

asciilifeform: ^ other than ft. meade

asciilifeform: (walketh there, upon the greene earth, a non-fabless mining asic co?)

asciilifeform: so what's the asset that is even worth the 20 tonnes usd ?

asciilifeform: *one

asciilifeform: if fabless, they owned what? a set of masks, that an undergrad could easily cough up at this point? a list of peculiarly gullible chumps? - anyone with a net connection can regenerate that oen

asciilifeform: 'You can buy the assets of an ASIC miner company for the eminently NOT lowball offer of 20k' (from mircea_popescu's article) << let's guess. fabless asic co. ?

asciilifeform: lizard hitler ?

asciilifeform: approval from whom?

asciilifeform: !s blub

asciilifeform: 'it was what i built and delivered' minus pgp, minus xxx, yyy, hell knows how many details that looked like 'irrelevant hair' to the imbecile

asciilifeform: aha! that one

asciilifeform: is this another '3 ani experienta' ?

asciilifeform missing the reference to the '18 years'

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: neglecting to mention the surprise

asciilifeform: well, someone not long ago tried to invite a n00b to #b-a

asciilifeform: mosquito flies around #b-a annoyingly, and no one swats. i found this odd.

asciilifeform: point is not to create ddos, but to swat a mosquito

asciilifeform: for now may settle for the classical 'if you sit by the river long enough, you'll see the body of your enemy float by.'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want the entire recipe that leads to proper corpse, you will have to derive it yourself

asciilifeform: 'reddit' used as example

asciilifeform: not incentive enough ?

asciilifeform: the smell of rotting corpse of enemy not incentive ?

asciilifeform possesses an infinite supply of not-caring-juice

asciilifeform always thought even a chimp could follow his recipes. what does he need to add, pictures? voices? music?

asciilifeform: until they all get booted by respective isp

asciilifeform: nothing stops anyone reading this from firing up 'tcpdump', logging uncloaked into #b-a a few hundred times, grabbing a dump similar to my own but more complete, and pointing the idiot boxes at, e.g., 'reddit' 24/7/365.

asciilifeform: (they aren't 'pwned' in the traditional - permanent - sense)

asciilifeform: and anyone who wishes can walk away with them.

asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone bothered to read the packet dump i posted a while ago, they should know that the ddos bot uses misconfigured consumer routers (upnp reflection) ☟︎

asciilifeform: (not where i live, they aren't!)

asciilifeform: sure of this ?

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: not even unusually high in mammalian world alone - consider, e.g., elephant seal

asciilifeform did not know that this was a secret

asciilifeform: zoological discussion tends to be about the organisms that 'make the weather' - most numerous or at least, most detectable

asciilifeform: favourite of downed pilots around the world.

asciilifeform: 'land shrimp'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html << related hypothesis ☟︎

asciilifeform: possibly it is 100%. given the correct reprocessor.

asciilifeform: the upper limit - shall be found experimentally. this - we know.

asciilifeform: meat processing experts - chime in

asciilifeform: more of a 'steer is not functionally identical to a cow' sort of thing here.

asciilifeform: unless i'm seriously missing something

asciilifeform: ulterior << not even buying the 'they work precisely alike if you don't attempt to fuck'em' hypothesis

asciilifeform: at any rate, it's confusing as hell to n00bs, i imagine

asciilifeform 'doesn't swing that way', can't really agree

asciilifeform: l0l!

asciilifeform: and, conversely, one who had a second head sewn on by a demented vivisectionist is not a Yottin

asciilifeform: for the same reason that a man who has freshly lost his head in the guillotine is not 'the headless horseman'

asciilifeform is somewhat befuddled by mircea_popescu's habit of referring to eunuchs as 'women'

asciilifeform: i.e. eunuchs

asciilifeform: women or 'women'

asciilifeform: ?!

asciilifeform: the lie was obvious to an alert first-grader.

asciilifeform: anyone who wonders why this was never done... answer - uses mathematics that did not exist when the net was built (reed-solomon existed, yes! but quite inefficient)

asciilifeform: xanthyos: nope.

asciilifeform: anyone who wants to do this - can go do. vita brevis.

asciilifeform: it's a pure k-of-n decode

asciilifeform: thing is, with a code like raptor, -order- of packets no longer matters

asciilifeform: my scheme, given hardware acceleration for the signer & erasure decoder, is as low latency as it gets

asciilifeform: just, sans signatures (or erasure code or any mechanism whatsoever for reliable delivery)

asciilifeform: gaming already uses udp

asciilifeform: parameters of raptorcode can be tweaked depending on noise floor values (e.g. shortwave in the apocalyptic wasteland requires more 'leg room' than comfortable modern net under ideal peacetime conditions)

asciilifeform: thus every packet identifies what pubkey (i.e. who signed) and what particular fountain it belongs to (what's a fountain? see definition of 'raptor' and other 'fountain' erasure codes)

asciilifeform: i'll spill the beans, if somebody wants to reimplement. basic unit of transmission is 'raptor code' over udp. hence - connectionless.

asciilifeform: used by potentially anyone, but 'deadheads' (non-wot folks) will ride in the back of the bus at all times.

asciilifeform: elementarily.

asciilifeform: used by the users.

asciilifeform: that is, explicitly anti-democratic.

asciilifeform: what i want can be approximately described as 'internet that does not operate on the rivers of meat principle'

asciilifeform: (and - optionally - drop others, if congestion sensors are tripped)

asciilifeform: jurov: a 'wot-enabled' router will simply prioritize, say, udp packets signed with particular keys

asciilifeform: jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931948 ☝︎

asciilifeform: jurov: perhaps i ought to have explained. not wot in the sense of numerics

asciilifeform: where every packet knows who paid for it << those who imagine a wot-routing based net as a rent-seekers' paradise are mistaken. it is today's net that is a rent-seeker's paradise, where folks who cannot abide ddos must buy bandwidth in vast excess of their normal needs ☟︎

asciilifeform: '1. ditch PGP, it's a millstone.' << leper is ringing his bell. thank him and cross the street to avoid contagion

asciilifeform: jurov: you were probably thinking of the ancient classic: http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/david-blishen.htm << flondor nominee ?

asciilifeform: (or, question of how to prevent owners of large, expensive pipes - e.g., transatlantic - from charging for seats in wot? you don't, if you want them built & maintained, and this is approximately what they have now)

asciilifeform: wot at the packet route level.

asciilifeform: that just ensures hegemony of the richest spammer

asciilifeform: jurov: not the idiot 'stop spam via taxation' scheme that everyone is familiar with, no

asciilifeform: as it is, ddos mitigation does at least as much damage as the disease itself

asciilifeform: (see also thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931927 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ddos << there will come the day when folks will remember the 'route to anybody who asks first-come-first-serve' internet - with disgust. ☟︎