asciilifeform: why the hell not ?

asciilifeform: having worked on own versions of many of the gadgets described, i will attest that there is nothing outlandish about any of them.

asciilifeform: if it's a fake, it's a very stylish fake.

asciilifeform: late last night.

asciilifeform: from spiegel

asciilifeform: (yes, it was a scan)

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lulz/lulz.html << for pdf haters

asciilifeform: very similar flavour of product

asciilifeform: actually reminds me more of microshit

asciilifeform: these folks have their own

asciilifeform: what's funny. any good crapware artist has 'protocol' - as in, what order to put the bits in over the wire

asciilifeform: the rest can be safely skipped, mostly snore.

asciilifeform: ^ nazi ssl

asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35676.pdf << data exfiltration protocol implementation guide

asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35661.pdf << the document concerning specific doctored firmware ☟︎

asciilifeform does not keep a landline

asciilifeform: whereas a wireless handset, most of the time, is not

asciilifeform: it so happens that in usa, a landline phone is a spam magnet.

asciilifeform: everyone is using mobiles.

asciilifeform: point is, most of the remaining copper could vanish overnight, and not one in ten people will notice.

asciilifeform: in usa, telco is mandatory.

asciilifeform: decimation: if this is so, it is contrary to the ancient laws.

asciilifeform: the same.

asciilifeform: mostly replaced with monopoly fiber.

asciilifeform: funnily enough, ny land lines perished in a massive flood a few yrs ago.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656215 and below ☝︎

asciilifeform digs for thread

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on account of how it was built, it is tremendously expensive to maintain.

asciilifeform: once you switch to the opticals here, they - as decimation pointed out in this and the last 3 threads on the subject - tear out your copper.

asciilifeform: well, for folks who still want land line

asciilifeform: aha. for chumps.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here the pole also has a battery, for the telco routers. but the house optical chest has another. this is actually on account of an ancient law that proclaims that voice telephony must work during mains outages

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the particular telco's optical terminal chest comes with a battery. and lusers whine interminably that 'why do i have to replace this battery every year, i w4ntz fr3333 stuff'

asciilifeform: decimation: aha. there was a rat's nest of mangled copper when i got to it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: large telco where i live.

asciilifeform: for what it's worth, i have the damned thing plugged into a monster 'liebert' doubleconverter along with the rest of the orchestra.

asciilifeform: decimation: aha because there was no battery on subscriber premises in the copper era. unless he owned one.

asciilifeform: when i got the building there wasn't even a battery.

asciilifeform: the subscriber

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: decimation: the customer-ended one comes with the box

asciilifeform: there's two, theirs & yours

asciilifeform: which ups

asciilifeform: ubiquitous on u.s. east coast

asciilifeform: decimation: aha. the very same

asciilifeform: all the 'gr34t n3w d34lzz' were for buyers of tv & phone service.

asciilifeform: zip. sc4mz0rz.

asciilifeform spend ~2h today haggling with a door-to-door flunkie from his isp, which recently hauled in extra fiber & is trying to upsell folks

asciilifeform has been at the console for too long, he thought

asciilifeform: *peace

asciilifeform: (bios diddlers kept the piece in mid. east...)

asciilifeform: a little mindfuck.

asciilifeform: forgot, for a min, what the original question was

asciilifeform: aha that

asciilifeform: wai wat

asciilifeform: (which is actually a pedestrian doctored build)

asciilifeform: also expect to read volumes in the next few weeks in crapmedia re: the 'openssh backdoor'

asciilifeform: any idiot can erase.

asciilifeform: erasure's a snore.

asciilifeform: and a few lists of pwned hardware.

asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-snowden-docs-indicate-scope-of-nsa-preparations-for-cyber-battle-a-1013409.html << arguably the first genuinely interesting snowdenism. with actual crapware samples, protocol docs.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'terrorism' article: where would you place osman empire on the 'law/terror' map?

asciilifeform: if there isn't one - can forge.

asciilifeform: this assumes a universally agreed upon timestamp mechanism, yes.

asciilifeform: (crap all over father's posthumous good name by forging past xxxxx)

asciilifeform: or worse

asciilifeform: if son inherits signature, he can possibly unbind himself.

asciilifeform: father might want to bind the son into some sort of 'dead hand' arrangement

asciilifeform: sure. but he does not give him the ability to retroactively emulate him

asciilifeform: granted, not everyone is a pope.

asciilifeform: dead pope's seal is broken for a reason.

asciilifeform: in the case of pgp key, it's rather like, in the worst case, time travel.

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: davout: lol, but what kind of idiot would do that

asciilifeform: well yes, in that case joe is, so to speak, trimming the weeds on your monument.

asciilifeform: ozymandias - won't.

asciilifeform: gotta be alive to upgrade keys

asciilifeform: not god quite yet.

asciilifeform: unless key factored <= 3714

asciilifeform: and yes, it's retarded

asciilifeform: everybody here understands difference between how key id and fp are calculated ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100% 'spanish'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is this. every office park where i live has cleaners.

asciilifeform: not cleaning lady. demented bomzh who breaks into the office and takes a shit in the coffee pot.

asciilifeform: this is a considerably less-fantastic scenario than it would have appeared to be in the '90s, because of the 'nintendoization' of computing. gpg simply won't appear in the apple and microshit 'app stores' and thereby vanish

asciilifeform: undata: at some point it will be forbidden in usa to sell or even own a computer which can meaningfully run classic gpg

asciilifeform: (third)

asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: 'key escrow' crapolade went out with the first clinton presidency, will probably return with the second.

asciilifeform: hence this thread.

asciilifeform: and so they weren't.

asciilifeform: but rfc4880 does not specify that fp ought to be embedded in sigs.

asciilifeform: this is considerably harder (in practice, likely impossible) with fp instead of id

asciilifeform: and naturally the sigs will verify

asciilifeform: davout: picture if you were trying to pass a document off as having been signed by X. you generate a key with the correct name, etc. and colliding keyid, then try to pass it off as the genuine article; then, when chumps swallow it, sign with it

asciilifeform: davout: only if the signature was in fact made with evilkey

asciilifeform: if it seems asinine, it is because it was designed for a certain pattern of use, which does not apply now.

asciilifeform: the keychain thing nicely parallels ben_vulpes's discussion re: bitcoind wallets

asciilifeform: if that makes sense

asciilifeform: davout: assuming it was an accidental collision, and that you have not entered a properly, maliciously crafted pubkey into your keychain that it -will- verify with

asciilifeform: davout: correct