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ben_vulpes: i'm not holding my breath for anyone associated with the government to fix shit.
mircea_popescu: watch how there'll suddenly be money to be made once the shock troopers are done scraping the last "university student" off the sidewalk.
mircea_popescu: trump can ban all imports into the country, tomorrow. and he can stick to it, permanently.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes takes all of five minutes for money to be made. it's just a matter of how you structure things.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nobody here is laboring under the illusion that any money is to be made. there are social media twits, and a small group of people trading fermented trash around.
asciilifeform: e.g., FUCKGOATS, is technically MAEDINUSA!!1!!1!!!
mircea_popescu: the latter got beaten to shit ; and the former isn't worth the farts it's spoken with.
ben_vulpes: "but teh parrrts!"
mircea_popescu: any way you turn it, it's not been long enough. us could get any item fabrication thing going tomorrow, and be good at it by 2020. the oinly thing keepign this from happening atm is the faint pretenses of kiddos who think they get to have a say in their future activity and the misguided notions of old people that somehow china eating that and the us being left to make money out of doing each other's laundry is a practicable a
asciilifeform: trinque: where did the plastic dashboard come from ?
trinque: hell my truck came from a factory in san antonio
asciilifeform: depends -- to whom.
ben_vulpes: dunno about 'make', but some places cast al, fe, weld racks to rigs. saw it, drank with the people involved, don't know what you want.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the sheep-herders allocate ~0 capital.
ben_vulpes: but yes, look to the overpaid and highly visible imperial offices and not to the sheep farmers on lopez.
asciilifeform: no dispute that this particular GDR still has trabant plants.
trinque: are we doing the "no but really some places on the continent build things" thread again?
ben_vulpes: oh yeah i forgot about them
ben_vulpes: from 3 chuckles in a 3-hour rotation of minorities down to barely 1 by accounts.
ben_vulpes: the performance-art-masquerading-as-commentary is growing shriller and less amusing by the day.
mircea_popescu: should be fun to watch the leftys get caught on wrong side of history / fingers in door, but whatevers. who cares about some dumb shits anyway.
mircea_popescu: so politico being what he is, he'll do what he can. and the bureaucracy being what it is, ie a spending machine, will sit its ass on its own mouth and adapt.
ben_vulpes: imperial regional offices are: intel, precision cast parts, flir and the roboflugen boeing division up the valley.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a bunch of moneys for the us to build nuclear reactors and oil pipeline process ; to lay train track ; some to do dumb shit like walls with mexico, hospitals, etcetera. exactly none to continue with the present "derechos" bullshit.
ben_vulpes: this repositing every single thing that happens as a direct result of the great inca in america is downright tiring. inca gives zero shits about this corner of its empire, leaves us to fend for ourselves.
ben_vulpes: where small can be anything from 20 to 500 staff.
mircea_popescu: as the narrative goes, they choose not to run
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: come off it, there are myriad small casting shops here.
ben_vulpes: it's a full-employment program, the money is definitionally wasted.
mircea_popescu: unmless he's building trains he's wasting the moneyt.
ben_vulpes: "where will the money come from?" "just borrow more, couldn't be easier."
ben_vulpes: "but why don't we spend the wall money on fixing our infrastructure?" "were you even /listening/ during the campaign? it's not an exclusive thing, he's doing both."
mircea_popescu: no apple, no google. it's gonna be trump's consturction co, bannon's whatever sidescam he makes, that sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: the companies worth money in the future are not these.
ben_vulpes: blue collar whites want to set rebar and pour concrete while the minority groups they think themselves above mow their lawn.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let's just say that the notion that the "blue chips" are worth anything just took a serious bath.
mircea_popescu: butr yes, it's always better to put the poor to work than to stroke the illusions of the rich.
mircea_popescu: worked great, what. roosevelt got like 500 terms.
ben_vulpes: "do kindly look to your history books and see how the last enormous welfare program worked out for its sponsors"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but those folks are weaker than a website. 20 man firms ; and those "men" are too afraid to grab an ass in the elevator.
ben_vulpes: "wake up babe army, the wall is not a racist thing. it's the largest works program since the new deal."
mircea_popescu: the mccain adlaing in the senate is entirely without teeth.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not even that gop split up under trump shock. much worse than that : the non-trump faction took a hard look around, discovered it doesn't exist.
asciilifeform: the folx selling the $trillion imaginary airplane, boats, etc. -- care.
ben_vulpes: full employment is very cheap compared to bank bailouts though.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah does matter quite a bit how great the great again is
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: who is more hated than involuntary savior.
asciilifeform: well... asciilifeform wasn't there, boxing nixon.
ben_vulpes: and i do not see this "trump vs republicans" thing. he saved the party, the old cripples are on their way out and he'll be either vice president in 8 years or speaker of the house.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much i credit these accounts.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: by some accounts, nixon was 'boxed in', for instance cut off from the nuke chain.
ben_vulpes: what is this "nixon-shaped box"? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: will be fun to watch.
mircea_popescu: eh, they spent 20 years pumping up the executive order
asciilifeform: (unsurprisingly) they are making a nixon-shaped box for him to sit down in.
mircea_popescu: well we knew that didn't we.
asciilifeform: it's mr.t vs the ~whole machine.
asciilifeform: not only the dems, tho
asciilifeform: (obummer's executive decrees -- a-ok; herr tritler's reversal thereof -- OHNOEZ)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from same circus, u.s. senate is proposing to ban mr.t from revering obummer's 'ru sanctions and They Stole Election' decrees ☟︎
Framedragger: phf: if at it, may i have a copy of your logs too, please? :)
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, apparently the us is preparing to noriega nieto
ben_vulpes: top logs today
asciilifeform: now, these were manufactured in the hundreds, rather than the thousands, so not mega-surprise.
asciilifeform: (since began to look)
asciilifeform: which is more than can be said for, e.g., 'scheme79' machine.
mircea_popescu: speak, ye of little resources, thinking self programmers and thinking men, who couldn't even save a few lisp machines.
mircea_popescu: and whose fault is that ?
asciilifeform: aha. but in that case, no comp trader showed up, only metal recyclers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (at one point amex co. flooded the market with surplus, and they were 'cheap enough to throw out', and then suddenly worth weight in gold) << it's entirely what the trader lives off.
asciilifeform: down side is -- gotta power off ~yearly, to clean.
asciilifeform: but that box is as loud as a shop vac.
mircea_popescu: i have traditional ones, doesn't bother them any.
asciilifeform: and because over-speed fan (as in , with air applied) burns the bearing in <5sec ?
mircea_popescu: apply flexible tube to fan
asciilifeform: because cpu melts in 10sec if you pull off the fan ?
mircea_popescu: so then why power it down
asciilifeform: and so -- this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strictly speaking did not have to. but also decided to clean fans.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you have to power it down to replace filters wtf.
asciilifeform: powered down to clean air filters and never came back up.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what factor is worst for them. i think being powercycled worse than continuous use for one ; time probably worse than cpu utilization, unless poorly cooled. etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think it ever was 50% cpu no. but yes continuously.
asciilifeform: who recalls when asciilifeform tried to source the once-UBIQUITOUS motorola 68k cpu ?
asciilifeform: it is simply one manifestation of the 'markets are not magical' thing.
asciilifeform: (at one point amex co. flooded the market with surplus, and they were 'cheap enough to throw out', and then suddenly worth weight in gold)
asciilifeform: but i ~can~ say confidently that symbolics lispms followed this curve.
asciilifeform: i do not know if this pattern is typical of exhausted nonrenewable resources, or if there even exists sufficient historic record to analyze
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 18:03 mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that if one keeps the named hardware ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 convo) or their preferred equivalents that one will have no serious problems for the foreseable future.
asciilifeform: to briefly return to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607573 , as i was painfully rubbed into it yesterday, in own iron: the hardware follows a 'passenger pigeon' dynamic: 'today, plenty' -- 'tomorrow, plenty' ... ... 'suddenly, none' ☝︎
asciilifeform: but this is for another thread.
asciilifeform: in turn it is also why i have an interest in a hypothetical nonbignumtronic (i.e. lamportronic) 'trb-i'.
asciilifeform: (sram can even be replaced with magnetic core, which in turn can be made by gurls with sewing needles, if it must. the mig-29 flies on magnetic core. and will fly in 2050, probably also on it.)
asciilifeform: these are 'kalash', they can be brought up with some patch wire, in a pinch, not even needing pcb, and exist in ~limitless junkyard supply, as does their ram and glue logic; and can be manufactured with sov-era fab tech, in turn can be re-created for less than what a dozen garbage trucks cost.
asciilifeform: (and, secondarily, that said cycles execute on honest iron and not usg-crapple et al.)
asciilifeform: fact is, in the not too distant future, even the very powerful folx will have many fewer cpu cycles to play with than common lamer has today. to the extent this is any concern of mine, i would like to design in such a way that the applications that actually matter, e.g., wotronics, have the necessary cycles.
asciilifeform: but it is not typical.
asciilifeform: but they are few.
asciilifeform: i won't dispute that these exist.
mircea_popescu: kinda iffy thing. i have boards still going that i bought in 2002.