asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. this is a cross-compile and uses 'TOOLDIR' var.
asciilifeform: let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr0gr3ss'☟︎
asciilifeform: can anyone here shed any light on the question of how netbsd's 'nbmake' finds its global config, 'sys.mk' ? the docs are silent. and no, it doesn't look in its install dir.
asciilifeform: thus it will be attacked in every available way. the 'consensus' of 'the community' and 'how the world works' will stand as a solid wall against the 'obsolete, white male privileged' gcc.
asciilifeform: the ancient, gnarly code, the caretakers - few in number, mostly know one another; the infrequent patches - not an especially shitgnome-friendly environment.
asciilifeform: gcc is a natural target, as one of the last remaining total bastions agains poetteringization and 'modern advances,' 'pr0gr3ss!111!1111!,' etc.
asciilifeform: for folks unfamiliar with esr, he has always been an unabashed barnacle who clung to whatever he saw as 'winning' at the moment. so usg did not have to break his kneecaps. he knew exactly when to bend over and lube up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: yes, it is set to the path that the 'tools' build.sh process spits out.
asciilifeform: 'TL;DR: You can't beat clang. Join it.' << this idiot has long avoided his correct place - in pederasty and by the latrine corner.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can only conclude that he is an apple/usg shill.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is esr posting from a parallel universe where llvm has actual optimizations ?
asciilifeform: mod6: and yes, the file exists. just isn't seen.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'nbmake: no system rules (sys.mk).' in all cases.
asciilifeform: not only listed on ks, but 'staff pick'
asciilifeform: kickstarter now lists ~40+ year-old scamatrons...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: zaurus << and a spare century or two
asciilifeform: and the frustrating thing is, i have the kernel built. and all standard userland proggys. but ramdisk also needs the /dev and /etc; the former - has to get crapped out of a build script thingie that refuses to grind
asciilifeform: thing is, netbsd is the one and only path because 1) it builds the toolchain 2) builds a <1MB kernel 3) perfectly set up for a one-executable userland. but (3) refuses to happen so far
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've built perfectly usable netbsd boxes previously. but this one -has- to be a cross-compile. and live in ramdisk.
asciilifeform: the published cookbooks, without exception, describe a process which leads nowhere.
asciilifeform: question for all: has anyone, ever, built netbsd ramdisk on cross-compile build system, or knows of anyone who has done so, or knows so much as a shred of evidence that this has ever worked?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simple experiment shows that penalizing nodes sending out-of-order blocks - does very little. as pointed out. what we want is to 'embrace & extend' the block sync process in the sense of preferring friendly nodes for sync.
asciilifeform: i was specifically thinking about the out-of-order crapolade.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: congrats on scoring the pogos!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, easy. question was about the logic.
asciilifeform: nsa can always donationwash another or ten.
asciilifeform: if actually happens, even - it's chump bait. 0.8.6 nodes that will be 'seamlessly upgrades' to gavincoin (how? easy - will lose most history, faux verification from that point on, etc.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is very easy to set. but i wanted to see logic.
asciilifeform: in general i agree re: 'wrestling with the pig', but i'm at a loss re: how we aren't simply wearing bull's eyes for no particular reason
asciilifeform: '...so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped.' << phoundation's answer to us, yes. anyone contemplating kelvin versioning again ? why should enemy have this much of an easy time with rejecting our nodes?
asciilifeform: usa 'cleanest shirt in the room' << healthiest horse in the glue factory
asciilifeform: jurov: castrato clients are uninteresting
asciilifeform: if sata drive found, then looks for blockchain on it, sets as datadir
asciilifeform: thing will be snarfed from nand by 'u-boot' on powerup, same as linux kernel presently is, and then run
asciilifeform: not as much of a deal-killer as it appears, however, because netbsd kernel + required userland (not incl. bitcoind) can slide under 2MB easily
asciilifeform: ramdisk is a must because there is no support in netbsd for pogo's nand flash
asciilifeform: (netbsd's cross-build system is buggy as all hell, and it may turn out that i'm the only one trying to use it in anger presently)
asciilifeform: at present, you end up connecting to a node using ip-over-dead-goat-modem and curse your fate until disconnects
asciilifeform: at least not until 'torrent-like' sync mechanism for bitcoind
asciilifeform: nubbins`: like blood donations, this is probably not the kind of thing you want to pay for and end up seeing done by folks who need the money.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean << i recently bought just such a machine. there are at least a dozen manufacturers, and apparently all but one sell machine that work on 'random walk' principle.
asciilifeform: which appears to sponsor the 'bitnodes' thing
asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ten thousand $maxint custom mice can croak overnight
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja know, mouse farming makes bitcoin mining look tame both re: profit (in fiat terms at least) and risk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this day i have no idea. originally found it some time in '99, i think. appears to be inspired by one of the 'leptin knockout' experimental mice
asciilifeform: 'FATMOUSE IS COMING AND HE HAS A MESSAGE AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. FATMOUSE WILL CONSUME YOUR POOR THIN WORLD AND REGURGITATE IT IN HIS OWN IMAGE. FATMOUSE DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU AND HE DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR MEAGRE HOPES AND DREAMS. IT IS BETTER TO WALK WITH FATMOUSE THAN TO BE IN HIS PATH, FOR FATMOUSE MUST FEED.'
asciilifeform: at any rate, usg is winning there - in its traditional objective of creating an open, gangrenous wound (rather than 'winning' in the usual sense of the word)
asciilifeform: per orlov's analysis, kiev is summoning draftees not to fight and win, but to 1) create 'humanitarian' wank in the hope of usg assistance (georgia gambit) 2) forcibly burn bridges for the conscripted men (the idea being, they've fired on the east and 'must' fight to the death)
asciilifeform suspects that ben_vulpes is correct and that had someone else engaged mr moarspam earlier, he would have latched on to someone else
asciilifeform: decimation: very naked pattern of 'derp suddenly comes, with much apparent enthusiasm and piss-poor reading comprehension, interspersing hour of faux conv. with 'so why do you have any truck with bitcoin, it'll be obsolete and replaced with Modern Alternatives soon enough, and so many more interesting things around like Dark Enlightenment...'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: orwell mentioned '1601' as 'unobtainable'
