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ben_vulpes: > threatened to run over one of the deputies with a baby stroller
mircea_popescu: "would you like this slow as shit or slow as snails ?"
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Kankakee Torrent - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kankakee_Torrent>; KANKAKEE TORRENT - Emporia State University: <http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/student/decinque1/kankeejd.html>; Kankakee Torrent and other Sheet Flooding - Cintos.org: <http://cintos.org/SaginawManifold/Saginaw_Bay/Torrents/index.html>
mircea_popescu: at least they're honest.
BingoBoingo: !~google "kankakee torrent"
mircea_popescu: i like the "pagespeed" setting
ben_vulpes: so "baww" but perhaps the lols compound
trinque: the parent probably looks at too many of those SUPERIOR AFRICAN SEED pictures
trinque: probably had nonzero amount to do with him being black
ben_vulpes: if only there were an ounce of "prove it" left in america.
ben_vulpes: good for them
mircea_popescu: eh, dude prolly grabbed some pussy, got wine to face.
BingoBoingo: Slow HF face burns force closed vs open casket dilemma as passage of time biases towards closed casket
BingoBoingo: HF to face for burns and calcium channel disruption and distraction to sneak other calcium channel disruptor into butt.
BingoBoingo: If your are loyal Best Korean, how is the Fallen Scion of dear leader different from Mr. Morningstar who taunted Elliot in the hell that was Isla Vista.
BingoBoingo: The early "spray" and "needle" reports way also be true. Perhaps assassins did multiple poisons and administration routes.
asciilifeform: we had dmso thread, sure
BingoBoingo: Only if medic got solution on skin. DMSO itself is not mega poison, just mega transporter through skin
asciilifeform: and afaik there was not
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if dmso, there'd be a dead medic or two
asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu can think of one.
asciilifeform: fwiw i am unaware of a poison where (supposing it was strictly wet-rag delivery) you get this.
BingoBoingo: Weilder willing to die for kimchi fuhrer
BingoBoingo: Maybe endangering weilder is part of the point?
asciilifeform: ^ this rumour is interesting to asciilifeform because he is unaware of any poison that fits this description that would not equally endanger the wielder
asciilifeform: liquid", Fadzil Ahmat told Bernama, and he died on the way to hospital in nearby Putrajaya.'
asciilifeform: 'Malaysian police official Fadzil Ahmat told The Star that Mr Kim had alerted a receptionist, saying "someone had grabbed him from behind and splashed a liquid on his face". But quoted by Malaysian news agency Bernama, the same official said a woman had come at him from behind and "covered his face with a cloth laced with a liquid". Earlier reports spoke of a "spray" being used or a needle. His eyes "suffered burns as a result of the
ben_vulpes: if only join/parts weren't so frequently so spammy; it'd be nicely contextual for eg the previous conversation in logs
ben_vulpes: a man may be forgiven the odd transmission to otherwise apparently derelict friends' vessels
ben_vulpes: you there, boss?
mircea_popescu: o hey, this should be interesting.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: just trying to cheer you up, buddy!
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i profit little from things that other people say they plan to do. you also can't dress today for tomorrow's weather.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: cheers. photo was taken on first trip to europe. house exchange in denmark/germany in the days before airbnb.
asciilifeform: '"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at the daily news briefing on Tuesday. “At the same time, he fully expects to – and wants to – get along with Russia."'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'US President Donald Trump has been tough on Russia and expects Moscow to “return” the Crimea peninsula to Ukraine, the White House spokesman told reporters.'
Reuel: just couldnt resist posting that video I ran into
Reuel: but really I just wanted to say I liked the http://trilema.com/2017/the-plumbin-plumber/ and sequel
Reuel: the link? it is the beauty of diversity and the power of friendship
Reuel: Anyway, loved the plumber stories!
asciilifeform: the good news is that you can stack up as many rng as you like...
asciilifeform: there is no limit to the parallelization (it is exactly (bytes in paylod)/(the block size of the cipher) threads ) but you cannot generate a new ciphertext any faster than your rng will give it to you.
asciilifeform: and you are also limited now to its bit rate.
mircea_popescu: actually : the quality of the rng is the limit on the parallelization.
asciilifeform: at least one of the losses, however, is that you now need a serious rng on the transmitter.
asciilifeform: so the win is, since you dispense with feedback, you can parallelize encipher and decipher, blockwise.
asciilifeform: right, but this is not normally where 'padding' is used. but yes.
asciilifeform: each block ciphrator is now eating what is individually a trng stream.
asciilifeform: without chaining the blockcipher's blocks
asciilifeform: what we've done here is to destroy the structure of the penguin
asciilifeform: to get the original payload.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you do this every time, after you decrypt the x- and y- blocks.
asciilifeform: you encipher the x1,x2,.....x_n with one key, and the y1,y2...y_n with another.
asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember this
asciilifeform: i found that one. but i thought there was also another where i suggested a sideways cut of the knot
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 01:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all schemes where the transform is of 'payload itself' and 0 entropy, suffer from immediate 'penguin problem', https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/Tux_ecb.jpg .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been digging for the thread where we discussed CFB ('cipher block chaining'), the infamous penguin, etc. but could not find
mircea_popescu: i... i didn't know you swung that way
ben_vulpes: i think i found some great again in my butthairs last night
mircea_popescu: is this good for magacoin ?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: yellen still planning to raise rates
mircea_popescu: blockchain technology chiefly consists of knowing when NOT to implement one.
trinque: hm, yeah. there's a good argument against building a shitty blockchain here.
mircea_popescu: if yes the system's unbound, if no then why the fuck even bother, just do otp from get-go.
mircea_popescu: trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, there's not a lbockchain, ie, ever-growing pile of signed data
mircea_popescu: yes, it's no longer fire-and-forget to bill.
trinque: mircea_popescu: just means that lobbesbot must have state which keeps track of requests sent, then matches them to incoming OTP, then sends OTP if ==
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the otp approach as opposed to the signature approach tbh.
danielpbarron: that is, 3rd message only needs to contain the reply part of the 2nd message. it's not necessary to keep the entire conversation
trinque: we're pretty close to me bringing in an updated version of the bot
trinque: aha, I will change that.
danielpbarron: trinque, yeah the reply contains the first message plus the responce. 3rd message (if needed) contains text of 2nd message, and so on..
mircea_popescu: speaking of which trinque : it's somewhat dubious you send plain otps. you should send request.string+otp.
danielpbarron: i'm trying to understand when a signature is prefered over a handshake of encrypted unsigned texts
trinque: that adds a step on lobbesbot's side that's unnecessary
trinque: I had already considered this, and one avenue there was to put the invoice data back into the encrypted challenge
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ie, you'd rather lobbesbot says something to deedbot, then !!v's ?
trinque: I get unsigned text, I give you an encrypted OTP; how then are you to know that OTP corresponds on my end to an unmodified copy of your invoice?
trinque: elaborate on that "is"
danielpbarron: the otp is functionally the same as a signature for the purpose of keeping text unmollested, and also the same in that neither can ensure a message is ever actually received
trinque: danielpbarron: specifically in transit; I can't control what goes on in your castle, nor you in mine.
mircea_popescu: the whole point of republican activity being to leverage computing power to protect wetware circuitry as much as feasible and no more.
danielpbarron: signature doesn't confirm that either
mircea_popescu: essentially. it allows to filter the flood at the gate. if invoices are not signed then deedbot has to talk to person any time an electric interaction happens ; if they are signed person can have whitelists, deedbot need only talk to person when meaningful occurs.
trinque: also, the OTP dance doesn't by itself confirm that A received B's invoice as it was intended.
danielpbarron: so signatures could be said to put the burden on the one making the request, as an anti-spam measure
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron > dev/null/ except if there's something in there you want. then you're sol.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have 3 you absolutely must pay among there. i hope youbrought a big http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy/
mircea_popescu: the problem with having unsigned invoices is that one morning you wake up and there's 2 ^ 64 invoices waiting for you.
trinque: I will also be piling up the signed material for my records
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the only reason it's signed (by the bot) is so that deedbot can distinguish it from a spoof.
mircea_popescu: and yes, singer = intended recipient ; this way lobbes can make lobbesbot a deedbot account and get paid.
danielpbarron: is the invoice meant to be held against someone in public in the case they don't pay? and that's why it is signed?
mircea_popescu: yeah trinque something like that. we'd have to nail down a permanent invoice format
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's an invoice. the idea is you pay to run an auction.
danielpbarron: what is the purpose of a signature? generally i mean. because as I understand it, if the goal isn't to make the text public, it is possible to achieve whatever you want through 2 decryptions in the place of 1 signature
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nah the idea is more http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-02-08.log.html#t17:05:28
trinque: where signer is the intended recipient of funds