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mircea_popescu: r0nin- if you don't answer the questions you'll end up silenced.
mircea_popescu: this is generally the problem statists encounter : since their operative definition of government is ideal ("that thing we made") as opposed to real ("that thing which exists") they have trouble understanding how bitcoin can destroy governments while governments can't regulate bitcoin.
asciilifeform: currently it isn't clear to asciilifeform what is the equiv. of the bullet weight ( or other mechanical cost ) here.
mircea_popescu: the ustards tried, with their golden toilets. didn't work out for them. meanwhile irl i still pack the new girls two to an apartment, as per http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/
asciilifeform: ain't as if people were born with 32bit cpu stuffed up their arses, neh
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense argument, and in fact they could "afford" both but they don't fucking use both. they use the correctly sized one based on human thickness and wetware bullet refraction properties.
mircea_popescu: the way this conversation is going, we can't have children us two until we get the baby room properly furnished and the safest crypto op is one that never finishes. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it isn't clear that there is a 'fix'.
mircea_popescu: in any case, entirely incomparable items. yes, people do dumb shit all the time. but this doesn't mean people doing the right thing should do it once and wear a vest "to make sure".
mircea_popescu: the "two digit year" thing is incomparable to the 4096 bit thing, because the 4096 bit thing is backed by "the whole universe, if it set to computing, still wouldn't EVER get even close to breaking a key".
asciilifeform: it isn't untrue. but replacing worlds has cost.
mircea_popescu: ie, currently they don't exist. later on, they will. later still, they'll break. laterer yet they'll be replaced.
mircea_popescu: now, the above is an opinion you or anyone is welcome to hold, like any other opinion. i however don't hold it.
mircea_popescu: if you can't afford the house, you can even less afford the mortgage.
mircea_popescu: understand asciilifeform : if you can't afford to buy a house in cash, this means YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE HOUSE. period. go sleep under the fucking bridge. and no, the fact that you ~could~ get a mortgage pay monthly DOES NOT!!!! make it now possible.
mircea_popescu: if THAT isn't practical, then sure as fuck larger keys aren't practical.
mircea_popescu: very possible, just don't throw away your old car batteries.
mircea_popescu: so it being the fundamental reasoning, it's ok to have it explicit, but implicit or explicit it ain't gonna budge.
asciilifeform: this output doesn't contain anything you did not already know on demand tho
asciilifeform: how do you leak something that you don't have
mircea_popescu: if you leak bits fix the leak don't make the pipe thicker eh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: isn't the only argument
mircea_popescu: trilema item i can't find ;/
mircea_popescu: valica make yourself a pgp key if you don't have one an' register it with deedbot so i don't have to keep voicing oyu
mircea_popescu: problem is large section of pop doesn't know, i guess.
mircea_popescu: "you wouldn't download a car ?" "why not ?!?!" "because nobody made one" "oh... i guess gotta wait then."
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling, you know ? "run openssl" "and if i don't have it ?" "download it then!" "And if i'm on a deserted island ?" "well then you can't crypto!" "sa moara ma-ta ?"
asciilifeform entertained by the 'we can talk in private' + 'i can't, i don't know you' combo
mircea_popescu: valica_ it's all public, you don't have to know me.
valica_: i can't. i don't know you
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698957 << this is THE Official philosophy of 'teaching crypto.' aka 'don't homebrew algos!111' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose the item rolls back to "i wouldn't teach crypto, i'd have to fix undergrad first, get some kids who can do a fucking lim"
mircea_popescu: we can't talk privately, i don't know you.
mircea_popescu: formal education ain't what it used to be ;/
lobbes: http://qntra.net/2017/08/alt-left-pantsuits-escalate-symbolically-without-risking-physical-confrontation/ << lol. Durham NC also didn't wanna feel left out. But, instead of waiting for heavy machinery, buncha derps ripped it down with a rope while police watched. (Makes you wonder what these statues were made of) >> https://archive.is/mqxKh
mircea_popescu: i don't.
asciilifeform: if there were some ameritards that DIDN'T sum to 0, from waco to oregon to fuckingbmore to wherever -- i'd like to hear about this
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm not sold on the 2^n thing as of yet -- it doesn't seem to win at all, other than (possibly) on readability
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj << Here's one https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/shunned-by-godaddy-and-google-racist-daily-stormer-moves-to-russian-domain/
asciilifeform: it doesn't impact the type of key you can use !!
asciilifeform: we aren't even speaking of the key here !
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 07:49 mircea_popescu: advertising "hitler is bad" can't be anything more or anything besides a global "hitler is important".
BingoBoingo: Pointedly NOT great, but... can't extinguish all the refus
mircea_popescu: teh original nazis were all about will-to-live and so on. usians want to eat, and to not hurt. there's snails with stronger libidos, and a people happy to build mcmansions privately and the brutalist abominations publicly can't possibly have any serious investment in ontology.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that there doesn't seem any genuine desire to exist.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it doesn't really have the "Identity Politics" click with rural palefaces that "ThugLyfe" has for the other side.
mircea_popescu: advertising "hitler is bad" can't be anything more or anything besides a global "hitler is important". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with advertising, it doesn't matter what you say at all, just that you say it lots.
mircea_popescu: so no, the need to beat, kill, maim, rape, the NEED to violence ain't going fucking away just because naggum gave himself hypermetropia.
mircea_popescu: and all this "learning" bullshit. you can spend the rest of your life at the new york public library, you'll never manage to "learn" yourself into this position whereby sticking your cock into whatever woman you choose won't produce a random kid come out nine months later.
mircea_popescu: the "evils of the past" are by turns the scalpel, the chisel, the enema bag... the patient doesn't need the scalpel yet so it's evil of the past. then later needs it, no longer needs the enema, now THAT is evil of the past. on it goes.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell cazalla tyvm, but stahp trying to do the email thing. Textpast and !~later tell like a normal person. Email doesn't work better than 60% reliable anymore.
mod6: yeah. it doesn't work with gcc5. this looks like the ncurses bug.
phf: mod6: it's your own makefile, it does readlink for that path. you can't not have it in yoru build
mod6: if this doesn't work, i'll just help you step-by-step myself. no worries.
mod6: for the record, i don't have that in my builds either, ignore that mike_c ☟︎
mike_c: i don't want it to jinx it. not done yet. but it seems to be working much better.
phf: but i don't think that's the one he's using, if he's building with rotor.. that whole new build infrastructure seems to exist apart.
phf: trinque: possibly my thing is not pressing correctly, i don't see it here http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/
mod6: if he follows the directions exactly, shouldn't be an issue.
phf: it shouldn't
phf: there's also the mod6 method that builds the whole thing for you, but i haven't tried that since before i wrote own v presser..
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> somebodyhood is overrated eh ? << Hey, people are selling "DON'T BE SOMEBODY!!!" now >> http://www.returnofkings.com/125632/the-influence-curve
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> somebodyhood is overrated eh ? << Hey, people are selling "DON'T BE SOMEBODY!!!" now <mircea_popescu> somebodyhood is overrated eh ?
mircea_popescu: so unless you're willing to do ALL the alternatives every time, you won't have "true" constantttime.
asciilifeform: didn't i derive a bounding function for it...
asciilifeform: yes but after you've calculated one particular hash, it won't vary...
mircea_popescu: oaep won;t constant spacetime either.
mircea_popescu: to be sure, i don't think you're making a weak case. im leaving the matter open, at least for a while, can you live with that ?
asciilifeform: yes i can think of a contrieved situation that calls for one. but no i don't want it in the rack next to the ordinary ones.
mircea_popescu: i don't carry around all my rifles all the time, to take a leak, etc. i can't.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the more i think about it the more i'm convinced the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be... the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't take 32 chars you don't belong here.
asciilifeform: if i specify a pubkey for myself with 65536-bit public mod, then other people can simply decide that i'm an arse and that verifying my sigs isn't actually +ev for them
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu make one in 2014 ?
mircea_popescu: maybe try strapping that thing off sometime. im startying to suspect "gas canister" doesn't say what you thought it said!
mircea_popescu: which is why i read frege, and i don't read obama.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 18:45 asciilifeform: lobbes: it isn't that this doesn't work, but that the effort needed to verify that you didn't somehow miss one , is substantial
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 18:44 lobbes: Interesting seeing teh different approaches. Instead of primality test, I just iterated through a static list/array of primes (I figure that list ain't changing anytime soon). Here's my potato code: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X0jSt/?raw=true
asciilifeform: not that lists of primes ain't handy -- but that the effort needed to verify one is >= to what is needed to generate same. ergo why not generate.
asciilifeform: lobbes: it isn't that this doesn't work, but that the effort needed to verify that you didn't somehow miss one , is substantial ☟︎
lobbes: Interesting seeing teh different approaches. Instead of primality test, I just iterated through a static list/array of primes (I figure that list ain't changing anytime soon). Here's my potato code: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X0jSt/?raw=true ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so it turns out, i never heard of gut tb because you generally need aids to get it. and back when i was reading they didn't have aids just yet.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform in fact has ~several~ dishes , from old renters of the grounds, but can't be arsed
asciilifeform: shinohai: rtlsdr won't work, it dun go to 12GHz
mircea_popescu: because i don't. it's eaten >9k fathoms of cable and we plumbed no bottom yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't care about the fucking shrems involved. we know they're smegma.
asciilifeform: in so far as publicity stunts go, this isn't even preposterously expensive -- anyone can rent a MHz or so of channel
mircea_popescu: and the fucking littoral compressed lulzship doesn't require wheels.
mircea_popescu: "it doesn't require internet".
shinohai: 12:27:29 Socal Mircea_popescu no it isn't it saves on bandwidth costs and doesn't require internet to get the BTC blockchain
mircea_popescu: "<Socal> Ah ok I don't know about FIBRE I was simply speaking on the SATCOM portion"
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how wediditreddit works.
mircea_popescu: he STILL doesn't know how to run a node ? after all this fucking time ?
ben_vulpes: i...don't follow
asciilifeform: you can't use ada's array concatenation feature either, to cheat, because i banned it. it introduces implicit jump.
asciilifeform: and you can't subtract ffa x0 - x1 unless they are same lengh !!
asciilifeform: they don't exist
asciilifeform: mod6: because we can't use the shorthand any moar
mod6: i dun get why, if you didn't change the maff, why you would make it more complicated