asciilifeform: 'In September 2016, it was announced that Renesas was to acquire Intersil for $3.2 billion'

asciilifeform: oh hey 2016

asciilifeform: i even managed to purchase a cdp1802 baked there, for lulz. but is all.

asciilifeform: when it was still inbiz

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly, all i know re subj is 3-4 yrs old

asciilifeform sadly cannot build on the cinematic refs, knows only 'tom cruise -- actor?' and is all

asciilifeform: ( yep they have a private 2uM fab going. is why the old 'warthog' still flies, and other 'vhs'-era tech )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827481 << older thread about 1 of these ☝︎

asciilifeform: my current impression is that most dun leave anyffin but a memory ( and sometimes a dusty warehouse )

asciilifeform: they're embers from fire that burned out some long time ago.

asciilifeform: they dun spawn, as such , they make $wrench for coupla decades and then the old man dies and that's it.

asciilifeform: that andropov wouldn't show gorby

asciilifeform: y'know, analogous to the 'sov real budget'

asciilifeform: the one on 'siprnet' etc

asciilifeform: nah diff item

asciilifeform: hm.

asciilifeform: !#s intellipedia

asciilifeform: relatedly, it is said that usg has an internal , proprietary pediwikia. but i've nfi what's in it, prolly a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-30#778095 ☝︎

asciilifeform: the one where once it goes in the postbox, i cannot definitely say what will come out on other end.

asciilifeform: osborne

asciilifeform: but the particular problem is imho real.

asciilifeform: i aint about to argue with a satisfied customer

asciilifeform: i aint invented a means to sign physical objs yet (and afaik nobody else has either)

asciilifeform: you may recall that the impossibility of signing a concrete, physical fg, continues to give asciilifeform headache

asciilifeform: yet i dare say i've got a pretty good one here

asciilifeform: i dun know how to sign a pipe wrench either

asciilifeform: i've nfi if even equipped to comment, per the scheme, possibly never been alive

asciilifeform: and only ambrosia, food

asciilifeform: yaya only olympus is life

asciilifeform: ( for aficionados of earlier subj -- http://xahlee.info/kbd/itac_mouse-trak_trackball.html compares a coupla similars )

asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i am unequipped to pontificate whether this counts as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885478 tho. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( trad pc mouse cannot be used on ships or aircraft, for reasons i think are clear )

asciilifeform: i can believe it.

asciilifeform: in re the mouseball people, there is for instance rumour that they live mainly by selling shipboard ballmice to usg, for submarines.

asciilifeform: but i dun expect to live to see that philosopher's stone.

asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would. ☟︎

asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet. ☟︎

asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is not difficult in practice to tell the diff, on the day you plug it in.

asciilifeform: i also sadly have artifacts made 'with hr'. that'd be the junk that worx on even-numbered calendar days ( crapple etc. )

asciilifeform: no 'hr'.

asciilifeform: some d00d in a cellar, makes boards, sells.

asciilifeform: or the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751813 device. plenty of items right here on my desk. ☝︎

asciilifeform: also made fg-style (iirc even sores posted, and for ice40 no less)

asciilifeform: or , e.g., that little disk gadget in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943

asciilifeform: for that matter, even fg theoretically 'made in usa', by combo of asciilifeform's hands and hired pcb house

asciilifeform: a working ballmouse aint a wunderwaffen, no. but also not 'meaningless religious artifact' that can be entirely dismissed out of hand, imho.

asciilifeform: it dun 'replace whole techno-stack', no.

asciilifeform: and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything. ☟︎

asciilifeform: at any rate, i know literally 0 re the outfit aside from what's claimed in their www, and the fact that they made the 1st ballmouse i've touched and not wanted to throw into window

asciilifeform: ougtha be 'superior balls'.

asciilifeform: i'll buy the nitpick re the name tho. name 'writes cheque arse can't cash'

asciilifeform: a 3-man co that makes mice?!

asciilifeform: ( with -- afaik -- no meaningful competition on quality. sorta like fg )

asciilifeform: it's a pretty humble item.

asciilifeform: hm what would be then 'too serious'

asciilifeform: somehow that shop stays in biz.

asciilifeform: in so far as the artifact itself is concerned, i suspect they aint lyin'

asciilifeform: thing is built like t34, can break heads with it.

asciilifeform: ( found via phf's link from coupla yrs ago )

asciilifeform: https://www.clearlysuperiortech.com << where it came from.

asciilifeform: entertainingly, even the '80s-90s' proviso aint 100%; just last week i had occasion to plug in a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884363 , nominally made in some barn in usa, and it's a+++ ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( observe why asciilifeform regularly refers to his worx as 'junkyard wars' )

asciilifeform: i aint about to disagree with this formula ( it's 100% of the thrust of vtronics, say )

asciilifeform: imho 30y+ ago they still made occasional object ( in mircea_popescu's sense )

asciilifeform: ( and on other end, it is literally troo of all rubbish -- if zeus could rearrange the atoms, dead racoon could be prime rib, or diamond, etc )

asciilifeform: knife, fork, wrench.

asciilifeform: so all rubbish until breath life into it ? can say this about anyffin at all neh.

asciilifeform: or, say, 'commodore 64', built by ex-auschwitz inmate j. tramiel and 6 other d00dz in some barn.

asciilifeform: ( not even speaking of bolix or other 'holy war' fodders )

asciilifeform: dunno, i have e.g. perfectly working logic analyzer here, made by one such.

asciilifeform: granted, '80s-90s.

asciilifeform: aaactually what little i've touched with own hands from 'made in usa' , comes 100% from these.

asciilifeform: they aint fully separate in my head, cuz i aint an olympian

asciilifeform: i suppose oughta separate the 'which one would rather be condemned to' from 'which moar loathesome to the olympian observer'

asciilifeform: and indeed found'em to be less loathesome than the ones in washingtonistan.

asciilifeform: i recall in buenosaires there were mosquitoes, but somehow they could not penetrate my skin, i watched and laffed as 1 tried

asciilifeform: spamola, in the most general sense of word, i.e. 'folx who have 0 to say , but open mouth anyway' is imho the principal plague of our time. so from this pov i see diff.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are public fools, who spam impotently; and there are other folx, whose existence, however wretched/inca-besotten, is silent . i see the latter as less loathesome. this may be an ideological diff, i have nfi.

asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo , is exactly the item

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is aristotelically determined not to see a diff when it dun suit him, i got nuffin

asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask

asciilifeform: sorta like diff b/w mosquito and flea

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: diff is that the latter goes around begging, whereas the former has some hole he drilled into fed pipe and drinks from it (while green comes out)

asciilifeform: iirc it was a BingoBoingo find. BingoBoingo do you remember ?

asciilifeform: grr where was that old link, where walrus fucks penguin to death.

asciilifeform: do the wasps tho. iirc they're quite picky re pheronomal key.

asciilifeform: the wasp himself however can certainly distinguish b/w own species and other.

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: from the pov of 'who does not want to believe, will not' ?

asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved in churning out 'information for it professionals' spamola

asciilifeform: what precisely is 'shy withdrawing' about spam-'conference'-circuit butterflies ?

asciilifeform: e.g. kazynski

asciilifeform: this is generally so, but usg is again perverse, 'terrorists' tend to get, when not hanged, 'max' (aka oubliette)

asciilifeform: some folx in usaschwitz do their time in solitary, some in 3-man cell, some in 'general'.

asciilifeform: solitary prison's exactly the model.

asciilifeform: in point of fact usg tends to house'em in separate prisons.

asciilifeform: as described upstack -- no direct 'mamie', no 'powerpoint', etc.

asciilifeform: m mircea_popescu's olympus they are indistinguishable, the way untrained human cannot distinguish 2 types of wasp necessarily, will think 'wasp'