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ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872282 << asciilifeform i estimated weds to determine if i had what with to find the error, and followed up later with a gpggram saying i would deliver the errors in the two months in which i found errors. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: In other news, I am pretty sure I saw the U-17 North Korean team in the Shopping today ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and in today's luldose, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." calliemarie_"😂😂😂" LordMPofTMSR "Illiterate, I take it ?"

phf: apropos, and i think we had that thread, but best russian translations were always done by actual writers, rather than dedicated translators (though there was a handful of talanted ones)

phf: asciilifeform: i read borges in ru originally, tried in english and barfed. takes some serious writer to put depth into the english language, like how e.g. faulkner did it. something completely lacking in most translations.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-17#1873152 << hm i was recalling having had to mutilate mine to eat postgres -- but it's been 11+y nao since i last touched the thing , so could be entirely off ☝︎

asciilifeform: of the 20th c folx -- i also liked borges

a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 19:15 BingoBoingo: Not in the depth I'd like to

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872991 << i muchly recommend the spanish adventure romances of the medieval period. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i just happen to use mysql.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872279 << currently i know veeery little about mysql ( always used postgres, and at this point know embarrassingly much re the internals and tuning knobs ) -- but iirc mp's-wp requires specifically mysql, so prolly doomed to study it at some point

asciilifeform: i dun particularly see why unix needs to be happening on an airgapped rsa box.

asciilifeform: i/o via the 2nd serial port.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )

asciilifeform: ( fwiw i consider 2012 mature, and can't picture why i'd want later ones, unless perhaps fixes serious bugs like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 -- and even ~then~ i'd prefer to backport to ave1istic gnat ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: i use preconditions, for instance, and they only work as written with ada2012

asciilifeform: i looked for this wonder, but never found ( and supposing it exists, it is almost certainly the wrong gnat, i want ave1's )

phf: i'd imagine there's gnat as part of djgpp, probably already prebuilt

asciilifeform: ( i dun ask that the gnat also ~runs~ under dos, tho that would be 9000x spiffier even . simply ~for~ )

asciilifeform: ( i deliberately wrote ffa in such a way that it oughta work on under 32bit or even plain 16, supposing somehow enuff ram )

asciilifeform: i'm looking forward to the hero who pulls off a msdos gnat port btw

phf: also graphs, sometimes you just need to throw up the graphics, and i'd rather not do it with c

phf: i've been using the asus as kind of netbook, i'm generally pleased with it *not* having x

phf: i meant the asus, i'm running it without X, but i suspect that pretty much standard way of doing gui on a console is via /dev/fb0. rk eventually will give you similar device if everything else is correct

asciilifeform: ( or maybe was only the 3d gpu that wasnt, i dun recall )

asciilifeform: i admit that i've never actually plugged a display into rk

asciilifeform: i'm not sure how one would go about using mmap for frame buffer

asciilifeform: i expect if you bake sumthing on 'horsecocks', it will be simple to rewrite on new item, will simply shed a few lines of coad

phf: yeah, i want similar principle for framebuffer

phf: ty, i've been using linux in console mode on my rk, so i wanted to write a framebuffer tooling for ada, using your mmap as blueprint (i'm not sure there's much overlap though..)

a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron

asciilifeform: ( i do not, tbf, know whether this legend is troo, but given the credulous people of the time and the man's talent for self-pr, i can easily buy it )

asciilifeform: tlp i suspect has the full dirt re subj. i.e. when you have the trunk, you can carry on thinking yer the 'start of movie', but if sumbody else builds , then somehow 'not star' no moar

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect there's some http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872899 in the psycho-mix also ☝︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun see much diff b/w the bolix gnomes and the 40 y.o. chix who 'waiting for right man' to pop cherry, as pictured also in mircea_popescu's essays

BingoBoingo: Never mind that unlike dragons, gnomes are too handicaped to bring results liek dragons. "I R gnome, If I sit on gold liek the dragons do Imma be a dragon too"

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's at least a little bit of the healthy dynamic where 'why should i throw the pearls before swine', iirc mircea_popescu expanded on this

asciilifeform: gnomism is almost like an infectious disease. i still can't properly fathom the behaviour of all those folx who had the alpha genera cd for decade+ and didn't put on piratebay.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 00:51 asciilifeform: 'i'ma sit on this gold' 'why' 'because i am gnome'

asciilifeform: ~somebody~ -- has. some http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863759 type. i dun usually believe in 'losts'. ☝︎

asciilifeform: the disk dun include any sores tho, i checked.

asciilifeform: yea that page's been exactly like-that since at least '06 when i 1st saw it

asciilifeform: so i guess it's sorta like cadr vs 36xx

phf: well, symbolics macsyma existed for a decade after the dod one. i've tried a few papers from 80s digests, that had macsyma code in them, and they all assumed symbolics and they all refused to run on maxima (because of missing stuff)

asciilifeform: the way i understand it, bolix macsyma was largely a free ride on the public dollar one

asciilifeform: what do you mean? i have the u.s. doe one right here

phf: but i know for a fact that macsyma source is lost, which is a terrible shame

asciilifeform: i dun expect that ~this~ exists anywhere outside of indiana jones warehouse, no

phf: ivory is basically part of symbolics's digital age, and i don't know of the existence of e.g. somebody's home folder that you just need to but on the right machine, and you can bring up the "rebuild the ivory from first principles" workspace

phf: ivory, and i said "near everything"

asciilifeform: i thought it was specifically re ivory

phf: oh yeah, i've meditated on this problem (even given that some things, e.g. pal truth tables are available), unfortunately i suspect that ~~everything related to ivory is lost. (possibly the mit guy has a copy, but that's a dead end sealed shut. will have to wait for the estate sale and such)

asciilifeform: unlike, e.g., 3620, where i remember no fewer than 9 massive pga things

asciilifeform: i wouldn't consider ever to put floatism in a new design, but for compat with the vintage soft one would need it ( fortunately unlike 'ivory' the weitek is documented to death, i even have a copy of the datashit from ancient ru stash )

phf: oh i thought that cpu looked familiar, yeah i guess it did

asciilifeform: 3600 i did not find very interesting, hence why i traded it, lol

phf: you overestimate the loot :> i have a lot of 3600 shit, but almost nothing on ivory. i have a handful of relevant documents though, that i can needle out

phf: i had a point in my head, until i realized that it doesn't resolve to anything concrete when it comes to a pile of IMG_123123.JPG, have to go one by one

phf: nah, i just need to go through three different scan archives, to find where it was

asciilifeform: i'm even ok with a roll of b&w fujifilm, if too big for xerox.

phf: asciilifeform: i'll try to do it this weekend, i also have a backlog of vpatches i need to push. my flight is on the 30th and i'm moving out of my current apartment. so things have been busy

phf: it lives in the "miscellaneous symbols" block (like the other symbols i use for annotation), which has been in unicode since '93. there are more appropriate symbols in higher planes, but they either don't render, or have forced emoji equivalents, or render differently on different systems, etc. etc.

lobbes: amusingly, few weeks ago I was talking with some bums outside of the $work-tower while smoking. They mentioned they had been bumming rides down from W. Virginia, were headed to... Miami! for the winter

BingoBoingo: Now I'm in the opposite geography. Everywhere rural in the country sends their bums here because "there's shelters"

BingoBoingo: The one in my Hometown still mostly functioned as it did when I was young, save the winblows toilets have even less space assigned to them than they did in the past.

asciilifeform: i sometimes still go to the local uni lib, but it too is going down this road

BingoBoingo: There's the oldbook shops and a couple good streets in the feria. Feria is where I found my copy of the Código de Comercio

asciilifeform: even if not, i saw plenty of quite well stocked oldb00k shops

BingoBoingo has to find where the spanish language print warez lives, what I had ben considering 'general purpose' warez dumps are clogged with translations and adaptations

BingoBoingo: Not in the depth I'd like to ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( about our fyootoor machine, if i live long enuff, rather than z80 )

asciilifeform: but i'd like to write the proper one, lol

ave1: thx! I was also interested because of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872938 ☝︎

asciilifeform: and it was moar about the chipset than z80 per se, now that i revisit it

ave1: I plan to write it up an publish beginning next week

ave1: busy these days, I've been looking for a new job (seems to be the theme of this year...)

ave1: k, I can wait

asciilifeform: ( iirc i read it as a scan, rather than actual b00k )

asciilifeform: ave1: i'ma have to dig and come back to you on that

a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 17:32 asciilifeform: ( i actually have a b00k by orig designer of z80, where he actually walks through the die, transistor by transistor, as if it were picasso )

ave1: asciilifeform, Do you have a title or reference for this book? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872937 (So far I found Masatoshi Shima as the principal designer, but no book by him yet...) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( incl some of the comments i apparently missed on the 1st coupla passes )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872832 << btw i enjoyed rereading this ☝︎

asciilifeform: oh it was in old times, i did not have external screen then

asciilifeform: ( iirc was 1st lappy i ever owned that had enuff horse to reliably play avi )

asciilifeform: i watched films on it for yrs

mircea_popescu: evidently, so do i.

asciilifeform: ( i actually have a b00k by orig designer of z80, where he actually walks through the die, transistor by transistor, as if it were picasso ) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: this piece, evidently industrially made ; but i do not regret it, for it has all the advantages that promises (uniformity, solidity, etc). handmade is pretty but fragile, nothing wrong with it but diff class.

mircea_popescu: aha. i am aware.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you may find it interesting that there's a shop selling items like that thing on ~erry street where i live. and some are quite elaborate, over a metre tall, and clearly hand-made, very ornate. possibly the last major handicraft remaining in this here orcistan.

asciilifeform: i was speaking of the glass thing

asciilifeform: i didn't think smoked pot burns all that brightly as it goes

asciilifeform: i see it erry spring when i go to the sakuras

Mocky: he used to be my boss. secretary of defense when I was driving tank

asciilifeform: also i dunget what is the point of 'seekrit charges' etc. already pretty clear that if d00d ever ends up in reich he'll be rolled in bear cage to the national square where drawn and quartered, what 'charges'

mircea_popescu: oh i c

Mocky: before leaving for qatar I sold your 2 coins and then my own coin.

mircea_popescu: so then how months i don't get it, you mean the other coin from yest ?