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trinque: diana_coman: it produces the genesis.vpatch that represents the state of the bootstrapped system. porting an existing gentoo over has additional complications. in theory you could yes, introduce what's in /cuntoo/ to an existing machine, but I think this deserves its own guide.
diana_coman: trinque, that looks great; if I understand correctly, the archive there contains the means to a. install cuntoo b. make the genesis of cuntoo/portage that could in principle be used to move an existing gentoo to cuntoo; is this correct? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf and i'm entirely unimpressed with carmack, either.
mircea_popescu: trinque in summary, the thing flew as such : 1. de raadt announced "openbsd dead as going concern without like 20k" ; 2. nobody cared ; 3. somebody brought it here ; 4. i paid his 20k ; 5. complex face-saving dance of usg commenced, very much blueprint for all later http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874881 ; 6. i told them exactly how unimpressed i am. which i still am. ☝︎
trinque: if we're taking one, I think it's a candidate for taking.
mircea_popescu: i mean... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718269 will work just fine without the current usg muppet. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose this is the issue, i had mental image similar to what asciilifeform discusses, "openbsd the ancient artefact" ; was discussion more about usg.openbsd replacement in recent years ?
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, de raadt pupated into his mushroom form ( like rms ) yrs ago
phf: trinque: how does that work with genesis, is it some other mechanism than having all the files in /distfiles? (i'm curious, but i don't have time to investigate)
trinque: I've been building with unshare -n , uses the linux namespaces thing to detach the process from the network stack (fig leaf yes, but at least was a decent way to test)
trinque: much as the openbsd folks shoot themselves in the foot politically, I don't know that I trust them less than w/e derps contribute to openssl
phf: asciilifeform: presumably entire portage tree pulls from https:// unless trinque also hosting a mirror of everything (i haven't looked yet) ☟︎
trinque: libressl is being decrufted by the openbsd folks, result of which is that several pretty nasty bugs in openssl didn't affect libressl since they forked it. I can't vouch for the work, and it's certainly up for debate.
asciilifeform: ( i dun have any notion that one is 'better' than the other, in either direction, but imho the matter deserves discussion )
asciilifeform: trinque: now that i think about it -- what was the logic for including the alt-ssl in cuntoo, vs trb's frozen thing ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with << I run a bitcoind linked against libressl 2.5.5 and so far it hasn't forked ☟︎
asciilifeform: thing still displays entire coadbase, so i'd still much rather have it, than nuffin at all. but it is frustrating.
asciilifeform: i presently suspect that this is because gnathtml uses gcc's AST for the input data, rather than the raw proggy text ☟︎
asciilifeform: still mighty useful. ( presently i'm continuing with the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/ffa_calc__adb.htm thing, to fill that niche )
asciilifeform: so i ended up getting hung up on the coad-eating logics
asciilifeform: i was aiming for a kind of hybrid of jurov's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/?v=makefiles and what phf has today
phf: it has a backlog of love also, one thing that i want to wire next is a search for a keyword, gives back a list of patches of a list of files that match. i implemented it already, but haven't wired it in
phf: i'm not particularly keen on the whole archivist aspect of it, these are curated live artifacts, no need to be too pedantic with them
phf: asciilifeform: i ended up dumping one of them since they are bitwise identical
asciilifeform: phf: imho the correct thing to do, if you have 2 bitwise-identical patches , is to display only 1 ( i'd prefer it be the one using my naming scheme, given as it is my proj, but i also won't cry if it's the other ) -- and the sigs that match it ☟︎
phf: borrow expr, ah i see what happened you renamed it to .kv from diana_coman's original
phf: asciilifeform: done, can you please check that it's correct, i'm doing it from console only linux and my update function said it picked up a patch, that i thought was already there..
phf: trinque: i'll pull it out, right after my move. flight's only few days away, and i'm only half way through gutting the apartment.
phf: i also have another approach, with V_PATCHES=[('http://.../foo.vpatch', 'http://.../foo.vpatch.first.sig', 'http://.../foo.vpatch.another.sig'),...] where ebuild basically keeps explicit press order, but can also rely on emerge for pulling the files from remote. none of it is particularly satisfying
phf: i have a poc, that uses vpy as an alternative to EGIT_REPO_URI. you put all of the vpatches and sigs into /usr/portage/distfiles/vpatches and you have your wot in /etc/wot and you say V_HEAD='foobar' and it attempts to press whatever's in distfiles to the corresponding head, and then use it as a build target. it works, but i'm not sure that's the right direction.. ☟︎
trinque: and the plan is indeed to get ave1's in, and I invite him to write the ebuild. the point of what I released is to preserve the found item, can now start changing it ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether anybody's tried building straight with ave1's
asciilifeform: ( i thought plan was to roll in ave1's gcc ? )
asciilifeform: trinque: i'ma test-fire in the next coupla days
trinque: ^ I'll go over this with a caffeinated brain later, but wanted to get the thing into hands immediately. Let me know if you reproduce my genesis.vpatch folks.
spyked: trinque, mircea_popescu: one thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g. thetarpit, since that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed to the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign). ☟︎
mircea_popescu: merely wondering "hm, i wonder wtf?!" is already ~one in a thousand~. these aren't invented numbers, this isn't a manner of speech. two in 2184.
mircea_popescu: question i guess very similar to "how can anyone read algebra I and stop there".
mircea_popescu: i guess why not*, possible.
mircea_popescu: i suppose, upon a coupla minutes' examination, the foremost difference'd be kakobrekla character spoke another language ; dubious whether the other one did. though i guess not possible.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's differences i'm sure, if nothing else the tag strings differ. but i fail to see any comparably important to the similarities, and so it goes.
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall kako bragging that he's just about блатной , never worked a lick for inca
asciilifeform: makes sense ( tho i have nfi whether applies to orig d00d or not )
mircea_popescu: (i suppose this isn't directly evident, but "equal partnership" bla bla "monogamous" bla bla "traditional" relationships sprung of "dating" etc are these situations where one has a fraction of a girl. maybe 1-epsilon, perhaps, but never 1.
asciilifeform: ok nao i cannot resist to ask -- what is a 'fractional girlfriend'
mircea_popescu: i've no idea there's that difference. two young males, fractional girlfriend of ~0 value, living with parents, aspiring to business...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875018 << i dun see that they're instances of same item tho -- 1 was dumb http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874979 kid, other was a - quite clever enuff - bought an' paid-for pantsuit mole ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will be sure to mark the grave of the king gnat separately. it still dies with one flick.
mircea_popescu: no argument, but i really don't need much more time or tools to send off diderot than caleb crain. ~same size object.
asciilifeform: and i recall mircea_popescu's drills excavating a 1370s concordate, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma actually try this on a scratch box. ( but, prolly not today )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why ? i don't follow it, articles go in a table, has an id field, that;s it.
asciilifeform: i am wondering where exactly is the practical diff, b/w that, and '21mn fixed supply' where unknown % is in hands of idjits who can mass dump any day of week
asciilifeform: as i see it, it's damn near proof that the shitcoin 'exchange rates' are works of fiction -- 'if this is actually sellable for bitcent/ea., where is fpga ? '
mircea_popescu: i'd expect.
asciilifeform: entirely possible that whole affair is entirely like other spamola, i.e. not actually +ev for anybody
mircea_popescu: "cuz you told it to" "but i mean that's not how the web is supposed to work". was a whole mega-wtf, unfathomable depth of disagrement thing
asciilifeform: i dun recall him touching that one
mircea_popescu: i'm sure if someone defaces ffa series to talk about what-ustards-understood-of-foucaults-sexnonsense-half-century-later someone'll notify you.
asciilifeform: i care in that i gotta maintain the thing with own hands, i dun have meat bots.
mircea_popescu: the problems you construct for yourself, i swear.
asciilifeform: cuz i chmodded the contents, lol, to not be writable.
asciilifeform: ( possibly this is only the case if there's a set of ~existing~ posts that have old sad scheme, i'ma have to dig )
asciilifeform: 'give it write access, damn it' ? i dunwanna.
mircea_popescu: we discuss this periodically, and it's always coming out the same way -- i show you you're wrong and you mumble something and ignore it.
asciilifeform: 1 of the reasons i haven't taken up mircea_popescu's wp wholesale is 1) i dun wanna break ~any~ urls 2) at same time, i refuse to give wp write access to disk. so that means hand-genning .htaccess, ugh
asciilifeform: i guessed as much
asciilifeform: ugh loox like i found bug ( only with my url scheme, loox like )
diana_coman: the selection thing? I have it but on posts, not on main
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just auto-filling "standardizes [away the need to do] unnecessary work"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i meant, re the mp-wp
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you could say that i cheated tho, lessee if actually worx
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I only skimmed the last chapter so Peh's output makes at least some sense but I still need to work my way through all the previous chapters; and time is limited as always...
mircea_popescu: i guess he just got eager to contribute.
BingoBoingo: I guess if a news is going to be double posted it ought to be Merkel's opportunity to go out with a bang
asciilifeform: incidentally, is microshit still paying that derp megabux to 'maintain' his turd, i wonder
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a strong bias against proggies which try to be 'smart' ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:29 asciilifeform: phf: i like the explicit a/b dirs
asciilifeform: i aint had occasion to do ~this~ yet, but whoknows.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874718 << philosophically i don't see the problem with having an empty dir around in project trees, as a permanent reminder of what perfect code looks like. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874601 it occurs to me i should probably also share the echo "FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42Fv9985AFAB953C4/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7/gns" | sed 's%.\{1\}%&<wbr />%g' that produced it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: there's still iirc a bug in auto-reconnector, but is upstream in the http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels-corrected , i'ma attend to it laters ( unless trinque & ben_vulpes know a ready pill )
BingoBoingo: In still other lulz, MS paint map made by alleged local socialist kid of imaginary train system they would like to see in the city, Maybe USG is going to try to get their money back selling one? https://i.redd.it/f7xva1zoqd021.png
asciilifeform: i perma-welded it to 256bit cuz irc lines are short .
asciilifeform: could, in principle ( could even discard leading 0s ) but i wrote the orig logic mircea_popescu-style, 'do not want spurious whitespaces'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:07 phf: unless there are objections from others i'll add it to backlog
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874716 << no i think he has a point, shouldn't have to keep adding or-true to code. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly don't even see the problem with this being here. let people learn how to code, what.
asciilifeform: ( i'ma move it to #asciilifeform later today, to cut down on rubbish in log )
pehbot: asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
mircea_popescu: and i mean, what are you going to do ? not pump the tank ?
mircea_popescu: but i mean, you can reconstruct it mentally in any case, yes ? "there's a fee for the dock spot" "aha" "and would you like your tanks pumped ?" "sure" "this is for fuel this is for black water this is for fresh water do you want air" "go on" "oh there's also mandatory veterinarian inspection" "i got no anima..ugh. i only got bipedal pets on board" "can be waived for fee"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: guilty. i haven't flown space station, either.
BingoBoingo: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/aerolineas-se-reunieron-con-ancap-preocupadas-por-costo-del-combustible--2018112018470 Maybe I misremembered the recency
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if it were 'coupla bux / litre' tho
mircea_popescu: i bet you they sold machine sandwiches they had sitting around since i was last there.
asciilifeform: see, i had picture that it's like potus visit to flyover states -- massive ding for local coffer (they offload as much of the cost as they can on podunk)
mircea_popescu: but i mean, you realise this is ~free money, yes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno, i dun have a good model of the miami-seekers, apparently
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i naively thought there was a chance that they'd protest