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BingoBoingo: Anyways, suppose someone gets a time machine and kills baby Hegel. If Marx is still cribbing from someone in "the conversation" does he go to Fichte instead? Does drunk Steve Bannon arrive a century and a half too soon?

BingoBoingo: The transition to library school where Dewey mean a completely different person lead to some confusion in conversations, especially in Missouri where Truman defeated yet another different Dewey

BingoBoingo: I am inclined to lean toward Dewey cribbing from the pop culture hegelians. Not a father so much as the theiving sad sack from the "I made this" meme series

mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, there's actually two distinguishable pantsuit trends to this day, a mystagogical cvasi-elitism spawned from boas and a mechanicistic mammie-ism visibly spawned off dewey. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: or the year they really really need its posture as a float be credible, seeing how they also want a chunk of china's sea.

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=797 << ancient asciilifeform article series re: a much older device of this type.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didn't say it was 'same thing', yes it comes with the grandfather of all shitstacks (20+GB of liquishit) . it's for simulating designs, not for deploying ( why wouldja deploy anyffing on such a thing, it makes cluster of pc look vehehery cheap and 'opensores'y by comparison )

mircea_popescu: not the same thing ~at all~ however. for one thing, it comes with the xilinx shitstack. for the other, it's a sack large enough to contain a car. we're talking about the actual car.

Mocky: anyway, i'm off to this DAO / blockchain meetup. couldnt' scare up a camera crew so I guess i'll have to film myself

Mocky: felt like "yeah he's a mile down the road, can't miss it"

asciilifeform: they offer a half-mil. LUT thing. (can fit, e.g., orig 'pentium', say.)

mircea_popescu: incidentally, apropos de nothing : Jean van Heijenoort is an interesting character, not because of his youthful association with one of the inconsequential marx-zigglers burlesque and slapstick acts of the early 20th century, but because of his later life as a historian of what could only properly be called "the end of nations as an intellectual construct".

mircea_popescu: anyways, more in the general, there's a LOT of merit to dennis hopper's monologue in http://trilema.com/2013/true-romance-tarantino-cut/ : "he didn't think to tell me... and i didn't think to ask".

asciilifeform: for a 'wordness of' 42

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depending how you cut it, varies . e.g. my 'eizo' has a 'byteness' of 14 bits ( per channel )

asciilifeform: my orig observation was that this is a less stupid use of die space than e.g tlb cache and the other liquishit x86 is packed with 'so win10 faster'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a york.

asciilifeform: they have a rome in illinois, a odessa in texas, etc so wainot

mircea_popescu: moscow IDAHO. this is a thing now, fucking paris, texas wan't good enough for these people. they gotta have a moscow also.

mircea_popescu: aaand in other news of only apparent alf interest, i'm in talks with... a chick from moscow.

mircea_popescu: cuz they're all shy and "waht the FUCK is this then" and the duck's like FUCK YOU MY GRANNY WAS A VELOCIRAPTOR!

asciilifeform: rather, was a gnarly mathe-deadend.

mircea_popescu: was this a racoon ?

asciilifeform: can't always source grade a+ wolf...

diana_coman: ahahhaha, that's a lousy wolf

a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 23:10 mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo such items belong in a config file then. though he prolly wants the ~config~ file to also be "human readable" by which he means hard-paged at 80 cols like for idiots. because there's no such thing as a terminal, nor user settings, and i gotta format my text in a way that's aware of his dumb terminal. and he thinks this acceptable, somehow, that at the time i write i must bear in mind how he'll later read.

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869273 - a config file seems the better choice, yes; I'll add it to the list to move the keys to a config file and update the tests to read from config file; that should actually meet asciilifeform's requirements too since the code will not contain the >80cols lines (although the config files will, of course) ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: point being, there's a LOT they could do to be useful, first of all to themselves. dja see it ?

mircea_popescu: now, perhaps this also could be made in such a way as to data byteness ?

Mocky: hardware baked with a specific algo, not generall purpose

mircea_popescu: do you see why the man besieged by rats and the horse besieged by rats may perhaps make what's called "a couple made in heaven" ?

Mocky: i can't think of a good why not

mircea_popescu: why does there not exist a rsa-sized specialist processor widely available now ?

mircea_popescu: hence the whole effort in ffa, which is nothing else and nothing besides a switching harness for 64 bit cpu so it doesn't leak data while switching it for a 8192 native byte.

mircea_popescu: and so in order to rsa on a commercial processor, you gotta do a mountain of switching

mircea_popescu: i know thios is unlikely a notion, because the crud of voip or divx or w/e could seemingly have any bytness. however think ... displays have 32 bit color byteness... and

mircea_popescu: nah, that's not it. data, what your processor will work with, also has a NATIVE byte.

Mocky: if a fetch from memory grabs 32 bits, and the data is 32 bits on the memory side and the register side then you don't need the switch

mircea_popescu: a yeah, that's right. you mewan ~the actual~ byte size of the data. yes ? its native size ?

mircea_popescu: that's a list, you don't care.

mircea_popescu: 1st and 2nd portions of a full cycle, 1st and 2nd portions of a full register etc.

Mocky: like a left and right register?

mircea_popescu: a register is the processor byte.

Mocky: a named local storage location

mircea_popescu: cool. now what's a register ?

mircea_popescu: a direct line is a bus, see. if you switch it's a switched line, if you don't switch it's a bus line. if you packet it's "a data pathway".

mircea_popescu: there's a bus in the basement of the building you're now, for electricity.

Mocky: it's on a board, between chips

mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish a bus from a cat5 cable ?

Mocky: a data pathway

mircea_popescu: tell me, what's a bus ?

a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 15:44 mircea_popescu: now, a 4096 bit native fpga, specifically for rsa-ing and rsa-likes-ing, THAT might be very useful, because there the s-o-d item is major win.

mircea_popescu: Mocky like you could build a chip foundry we man and train. the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1865898 item ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 22:38 mircea_popescu: Mocky so i guess next step is make an appointment with their minister of technology, industry, or whatever the fuck, explain to the secretarial overseer you end up seeing that the republic is in principle willing to do some tech transfer help them become a real country, exchange confused nods and handshakes and set the bozo bit on the ball of faux carpeting yarn pretending to be a country ?

mircea_popescu: i still think you should http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869171 as a parting shot ; not because i expect anything besides the "meet mr al-schmukwari at 8am", but because why not let the remnant of usg.blue congratulate itself on "succeeding" ? let some schmuck "earn" a bonus, what's it to you or me. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: I keep getting distracted by not quite fixes that let the thing show a dashboard for one page load, as much as I would like it to be top of my list it can't today

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was on the defaults. 2 GB rockchip and while not a trilema sized blog, bigger than most on mp-wp

mircea_popescu: that can read "80 cols plox what is this" all it wants, it runs into "this is a key, what are you going to do about it, use 80 cols keys" ?

billymg: and at this point i'm just trying to build my reputation so wouldn't be looking for anything beyond a fair rating

a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 18:03 mircea_popescu: actually i bet you the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868721 fellow would love nothing more than to do a template design for hire.

billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869210 << yup. Mocky: if this ever becomes a need for you, i'd be more than happy to help ☝︎

asciilifeform: i think the smallest unixlike box i currently have, is a pic32 (mips, little endian) , and it's running... sysv

asciilifeform: ( does anybody even ~have~ a s390, or where to steal one ?? )

a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 23:23 bvt: hello. i wrote a summary for linux system call investigation http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/linux-portability-part-3-summary/

asciilifeform at one time had a 100kg liquid-cooled horror, did not transport in pieces, simply attached wheelbarrow wheels to it...

BingoBoingo: No, there isn't. There are knobs that influence the range of memory footprints mysql will sit in, and none of them appear to be able to be turned meaningfully down on a living database.

asciilifeform had the mysql manual open , since BingoBoingo 1st mentioned subj, and somewhat to my surprise found that the thing dun seem to have a max mem knob !

asciilifeform: ideally proggy would be distributed as a ast in sexpr, and we wouldn't have 'tabs & spaces' thread. but we aint there yet.

mircea_popescu: basically, any time you go "this string should contain control characters for my convenience" you are living in a state of sin, and should remedy.

hanbot: why not just display it in 2pt and get a monocle, yeesh

mircea_popescu: there can be such a thing as a standard length, yes. but apparently it'll be 512 bytes+

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 23:45 phf: in a proper program 80 col is an indicator of s/n, density and all kinds of lateral properties, that can be communicated between professionals, because you can know ahead of time, what you're dealing with by shape, and have a rough estimate for the token count

asciilifeform: it's not doable without a transformer that's aware of the syntax. and doing it will destroy ability to refer to orig author's lines by number in conversation.

mircea_popescu: sounds like you're in the market for a printer driver that doesn't suck.

asciilifeform: they're already in, e.g., trb. but was thinking, perhaps folx will eventually stop, cuz it's a headache and to fix it is not in any sense expensive imho.

mircea_popescu: so not only we agree to disagree -- but there's gonna be long lines in there cuz that's how long a line is.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a legacy definition of "text" type in eulora comms protocol specifically for this conversation.

mircea_popescu: the line as a semantic unit is as long as it fucking is, and the terminal deals with it.

asciilifeform: and to write e.g. vtron, you gotta pick a max length in advance

mircea_popescu: IF you can't configure your termina, either get a better one or understand you're at fault for your own pain. ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keep in mind that it ain't 'text', tho, it's a proggy, the line is a semantic unit

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly now, 80cols is a terminal setting. text may not have line breaks for any reason other than new paragraph.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo such items belong in a config file then. though he prolly wants the ~config~ file to also be "human readable" by which he means hard-paged at 80 cols like for idiots. because there's no such thing as a terminal, nor user settings, and i gotta format my text in a way that's aware of his dumb terminal. and he thinks this acceptable, somehow, that at the time i write i must bear in mind how he'll later read. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised the vtron even swallowed it.

asciilifeform: i hate to bring back ancient thread re 'how many columns in terminal', but you ~must~ have a finite width, or cannot write even basic thing like vtron without idjit heapism. and i'm heavily biased to 'make'em 80' , that's how wide my terminal and printers are.

mod6: lobbes: do you have a list of commands for auctionbot somewhere?

mod6: jurov: Ok, that's probably a better way : We'll start the auction, and you can bid on it. We'll do this going forward.

diana_coman: sounds more like a study in "how unearned wealth can screw you up" basically

ben_vulpes: will be making new contacts in the next month to find a shared cab for racking the foundation machine i lugged across the continent

diana_coman will think on this a bit more

diana_coman: onth I suppose that the 80cols rule either is or isn't, so it should apply even to strings that make no sense split, a bit of cutting to fit the bed style

a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 01:36 billymg: managed to press vtools and use vdiff to create a patch of the css tweaks for the "default" theme included in mp-wp http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp-css-refine.txt

mircea_popescu: actually i bet you the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868721 fellow would love nothing more than to do a template design for hire. ☝︎☟︎

ben_vulpes: Mocky: there's not much stomaching involved with operating an mp-wp. it's a pretty feature-complete blog; if you really want a custom template you can buy one.

Mocky: hey! i didn't want to wasted time implementing a big comment thing when i get 1 comment per month

Mocky: I don't have moderate per se. I have a manual process where by if i type in "pull-comments.sh" i see if there are new comments to manually copy paste into the document

mircea_popescu: (do you have a knob so i don't have to be moderated every single time ? cuz that's a major chill factor)

mircea_popescu: it's certainly true my hope lo so many years ago was that the foundation will provide the basic material (people, expertise, history, and so on) upon which to construct these days a republican diplomatic service ; rather than a library.

hanbot: t and a by now insanely oversaturated market, i can't imagine anything less than hundreds of hours/week is going to save it. i don't have the hours to make it my sole concern, but i do have some to help out. i think it'd be a shame to kinda decoupage some tasks here and there to a floundering ship. as much as i'd like to see it sail, seems obvious to me that here and there won't cut it at all.