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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yet the us seems to be bringing it a whole lot these days lol
asciilifeform: but 'orcs suck and should simply kill themselves instead of sullying the planet with their stench' is not a historical argument.
asciilifeform: ultimately, being a builder of industry at the 1917 (or even today's) tech level, fundamentally sucks. as in, the same way being in prison sucks. so stalin et. al. tried experiment: what if being a peasant sucked -more- ? and - it worked. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: then you can see a line there.
mircea_popescu: just, headcount is irrelevant in a discussion of bestness.
mircea_popescu: because if you don't then by your definitions eugenics, and if you do wtf you doing in slovakia instead of say b-a.
undata: I suppose it depends on the situation as to how much of a display is needed
undata: mircea_popescu: I see the point about a genuine display of power
mircea_popescu: how is it not a gulag ?
asciilifeform: jurov: incidentally, the most well-founded historical model of gulag etc. i know of is - that meat grinder was built, and became the proverbial 'self-licking icecream cone' after running short on the designated feedstock. a la french rev.
mircea_popescu: <undata> this to me sounds like a very wealthy man lighting his wealth on fire to display sovereignty << afaik the only possible honest signal is exactly this.
undata: this to me sounds like a very wealthy man lighting his wealth on fire to display sovereignty
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: maximizing meat now? << as far as i can tell, there's a certain subgroup of transhumanists for whom even the faintest hint of discussion as to whether rivers of meat is the correct minimaxing is "eugenics" which is to say their local equivalent of "fascist" ie, very bad mkay.
BingoBoingo: The Usian Gendarmie is probably going to have a lot of horses http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/19/police_horse_study_increases_trust_authors_say.html
undata: this comes up a lot in here; why does that follow?
undata: asciilifeform: that a sovereign can do whatever he pleases doesn't necessarily proceed to "therefore he stole all my things and left me in mud"
asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
undata: asciilifeform: what about when you let that run for a while
undata: sound money, rule of law, and I think we'd get to a place where most people can at least find food
undata: at least this seems like a weird focus
asciilifeform: this always bugged me. somehow folks think that starving to death under czar was like dying of co poisoning in a mercedes to the tune of classical music, but starving in ussr is starving in a dumpster with broken glass.
bagels7: my aunt who i was living with who decided i could trust her like a mother, i felt more betrayed by her than my bio mother
undata: I'm going to be spending a lot of the business income on moar business for a good while
cazalla: bagels7, so you're no longer in the truth eh, i must tell you that #b-a is rather worldly
bagels7: cazalla: least it wasnt a bat
bagels7: well there was that one time he broke a spatula that came on par
jurov: if they somehow avoid being overran by chinese then i'll say it isn't a problem
asciilifeform: jurov: aha, shrinking. but you implied that this is a problem.
undata: asciilifeform: seems like you have a little confirmation bias in there
cazalla: bagels7: I'm still rovering from the jehovah witness's and religious brainwashing <<< holy shit, i'm not the only one to suffer this in #b-a
jborkl: Thank you, Mircea I added a section to https://www.bcoinnews.com/mpex/ . If there is anything that needs to be changed just let me know
ben_vulpes: "requires you to get health coverage by the end of the open enrollment period on February 15. If you don’t, this year you’ll have to pay a penalty of $325 per adult or 2 percent of your household income -- whichever is higher." << death of self insurance in the usg
mircea_popescu: but should perhaps preface the general statement with a clue. "as far as everything's eugenics, then gulags are eugenics"
mircea_popescu: jurov well that's then a narrow view you're more than welcome to
mircea_popescu: seems putting them all in a large nude colony in montana may work.
mircea_popescu: let's work a model jurov. suppose you're me, and suppose you're stuck doing what i think best (stalin -> lenin relationship)
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undata: seems like that plays a part ^
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: of course, unphased by this. We know now that their strategy of psychological war turned out to be a correct one... To establish the injustice, the 'meanness' of the enemy in a moralistic war is every bit as important as winning a pitched battle in a hot war.'
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: moral justice the legions ought to forsake the lands for which they had paid with their blood. Not only is the transference of conceptions of morality to the evaluation of historical events a phony method, but, if we recall, the moralists - the defeated European nations and the Americans, enemies of the USSR - that is to say, non-impartial moralists - their condemnations sound hollow indeed. The offen
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred to view the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by a Roman) that Soviet legions, without anyone's help, took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in the name of wha
mircea_popescu: the salic law of succession specifically had a 5) and thou shalt not have fixed borders in there.
mircea_popescu: in a way teh pentagon doesn't quite yet.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but if Obola can have Costana, Putin can have a naval base just outside of Guantanamo
mircea_popescu: or else, a landbridge to serbia via bulgaria ?
mircea_popescu: look at it from moscow's pov. 1) the us builds a large base at constanta, once europe's largest port by tdw, and mere miles from the russian bases at sevastopol
undata: jurov: do you think he's after more than just involving ukraine in a permanent border dispute to foul potential nato membership?
bagels7: yeah my boyfriend saw trilema and was like "that guy is a terrorist" just from the look
mircea_popescu: imagine, random chance a better bet. that's the fucking antithesis of statality.
mircea_popescu: this is not necessarily a bankrupt approach, arguably even better fitted than "everything us is good"
undata: mircea_popescu: such a reading list would be a welcome post
mircea_popescu: then you'll be in a better position to appreciate the inanity currently rotting your brain away.
mircea_popescu: bagels7 the best advice for you is to a) create a list of 100 classical texts written before 1800 ; b) spend two weeks reading NOTHING online but that. not anything. not a single page of popurls or whatever. none.
bagels7: maybe have a sunday protest
bagels7: i worked harder than anyone in my class and people would just say im smart so its easy for me and not a bid deal. I was learning japanese because I wanted to go to japan. but my cousin decided to go 5 years later on a whim because well she had suport for every step in her life where as me her mom and my dad held me back. Im just not planning on curing ebola or anything anytime soon.
undata: every human shoves along every other human as he/she can; religion's not a special case of that
bagels7: undata: I'm a victim, I don't have a victim mentality. there is a difference. I did not have the slighest victi mentality from age 4 to age 22 concerning my mom leaving me
asciilifeform: chetty: not specifically magnetic core. but the general principle, of a machine built for intelligent, educated folks, who are -expected to understand- it.
asciilifeform: can debate, but he fails a number of basic tests for the category, not limited to age
mircea_popescu: actually, is linus a graybeard ?
mircea_popescu: in this case, graybeard in computing means a true expert.
mircea_popescu: a term of art is a word that has a speciffic meaning within a discipline.
chetty: lesson 1 bagels7 , judge things one at a time, not in groups
mircea_popescu: graybeards is a term of art
mircea_popescu: bagels7 think of it this way : most of the graybeards that we respect met computers in their 50s, after fucking with paper for a long time.
mircea_popescu: so you'll make a shittier videoprojector ?
bagels7: back then I had a brain and motivation to learn, now i don't care. let white society burn
bagels7: my intelligence has greatly been reduced, my dad was an idiot, i wanted a computer since i was 13 but they only got one my second semester of college
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't recall a humiliating defeat of the us and its allies at the hands of either iran or taleban.
bagels7: undata: so you just got a job instead?
undata: bagels7: I left because college in texas is a fucking joke
bagels7: can i use a credit card
mircea_popescu: generally the way this works is someone asks a question and sometimes i pop an article out. but they're generally much more concrete.
mircea_popescu: ugh that's a tough one.
mircea_popescu: i'd still take her reports with a grain of salt.
undata: mircea_popescu: I've seen it mentioned several times that "ISIS" is the face of a force non-negligibly comprised of former baathists, etc
mats_cd03: cazalla: i'm not surprised, /. would be a better audience than reddit
mircea_popescu: so far it's not a thing yet, and it should be supported, merely to ruin more of the socialist world.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the discussion of whether we like or dislike isis is to be had once isis is a thing.
undata: asciilifeform: I wonder the same thing: is it a matter of policy to help re-establish a caliphate?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far usg is keeping these folks intensely interested in clitori butterfly collections and not the least bit in higher mathematics, without apparently breaking a sweat.
undata: hm, just had the thought that maybe this is exactly how people *find* a good leader
mircea_popescu: it's a new state, AGAINST the current morass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) only an ideology can foment revolution ; b) all ideologies are reducible to ideologies. socialism, religion, take your pick. "democracy"
cazalla: undata, is that not a good thing though? spending is accelerated etc
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take it another way : where do i have a better chance to sell the experiment being tried ? wash dc, london or baghdad ?
mircea_popescu: the russians being a fine example. i could readily stroke the same public knowledge to elicit a "I'm sure they're backwards as hell".
asciilifeform: undata: forget for a minute the propaganda. think of the starting material. if you were told that 'perhaps the modern greeks are intellectual giants, but u.s. propaganda obscures this' would you believe? or be justifiably skeptical.
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: i get the distinct impression that tools in volatile memory forensics are still relatively primitive (compared to disk forensics) in lots of ways ... Volatility and friends have developed a better understanding of win internals, but much of what they principally do is still brute force scanning. is this observation accurate? i'm fairly amateur
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'A revolution without dancing is not a revolution' but - s/dancing/mathematics
undata: I'd take a king who said what he was up to any day.
mircea_popescu: undata in a world where pretense is allowed, truth is necessarily disallowed.
mircea_popescu: the substantial difference being that greece is a colony today.
mats_cd03: i suppose i'd do ok as a company grade officer.
cazalla: can i just be a cop that kills random nignogs
mats_cd03: eh. there's a distinct lack of officers in our ranks.
undata: there's a podcaster I enjoy, Dan Carlin
cazalla: i'm not arguing that taking a gun from a cop is a bad/good thing, just that if one tries, don't be surprised if shot
mircea_popescu: well, she was either untrained or inept, but in any case a danger to herself an' others. and i knew her boss.