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mircea_popescu: dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots << reddit ? libertarian roots ?! when did this happen.
decimation: anyway with that I must retire, good evening gents
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified
decimation: probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a well-worn alpha is dirt cheap. i threw away five of them a few years ago.
BingoBoingo: decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane
decimation: BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus
asciilifeform: (why you want it? i've no idea. but there they are.)
kakobrekla: yeah i have it on the counter.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. << crickets i tell ya crickets
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall some weirdo suggested, one time, offering money for tattoo ad space.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage...
asciilifeform: decimation: if peter I pays, sure.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places
ben_vulpes: even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses
ben_vulpes: (don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...)
ben_vulpes: all i know is that the house is on fire
ben_vulpes: i do what i want
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time.
kakobrekla: i thought its 'fatter'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle
TheNewDeal: i've only dabbled in spanish
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thanks, I'll chew on it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts
jborkl: Nice, not I had not seen that yet
jborkl: I think it is a terrific idea and good timing
TheNewDeal: i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla
BingoBoingo: jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price
kakobrekla: i thought hallucinations are default in us.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible
jborkl: Damn 2012, I have to get a life
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> i have a degree in CS
TheNewDeal: suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians
TheNewDeal: i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost
dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing
TheNewDeal: since when am I not
dsherm: +i
dsherm: decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis
decimation: dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention
asciilifeform: decimation: i and perhaps a few other people did suggest, half-seriously, that people could learn to carry out, e.g., rsa, using mental arithmetic shortcuts of some variety
dsherm: decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure
bats_cd03: i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography
decimation: watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another!
thestringpuller: bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop
bats_cd03: i figured, but had to ask
decimation: danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level
thestringpuller: I even find Trigun hard to watch sometimes.
thestringpuller: bats_cd03: I'm very picky with anime lol
danielpbarron: i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing
decimation: asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists
asciilifeform: which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ?
bats_cd03: i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good.
BlueMeanie4: i dont have to convince anyone
BlueMeanie4: these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state.
BlueMeanie4: i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth
nubbins`: i've still got a "gilbert dollar"
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter
BlueMeanie4: so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc.
bats_cd03: i do not think that.
nubbins`: they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing"
decimation: I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance
decimation: I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway.
asciilifeform did (along with probably everyone else) predict this turn. i.e. - usg separating as many coins as can be turned up from their owners, by whatever means can be brought to bear
bats_cd03: i guess i've been here too long.
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper
mircea_popescu: i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck.
decimation: you think I could buy a house for some gold?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ?
BlueMeanie4: sure it is, I met these people
bats_cd03: lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities)
mircea_popescu: decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment.
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention?
BlueMeanie4: i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of
bats_cd03: when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done?
decimation: “But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”
mircea_popescu: i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?
asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
BlueMeanie4: i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses
BlueMeanie4: i dont know
BlueMeanie4: if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will
BingoBoingo: I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay.
BingoBoingo: Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early.
BingoBoingo: I've used it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think you missed
nubbins`: thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned
mircea_popescu: no dude. i'm just trying to explain internet to you.