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mircea_popescu: afaik nobody has
to date wrote
that blog post, "hey, check out
the one
time some rebel
threw molotov into a dc!"
mircea_popescu: customer had a raid, will be fixed when dc gets around
to hotswap anyway.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i fell like we should all get drunk by
this point, but: in
this scenario, you're saying
that dc would handle all hardware faults?
mircea_popescu: your job does not include "24/7 customer support", because it doesn't have why
to include it.
mircea_popescu: incident is either
that
there's a flood/meteor/volcano, in which case you're not needed, because dc will handle it itserlf ; or else
that customer fucked up his machine, in which case he should have frucking known better and fuck him.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 17:42 mircea_popescu: so,
to reiterate
the constructive part, also found in 2015 discussion re same : a) identify some decent dcs
that do good service.
this may be prior knowledghe, may be proximity so you can visit poersonally od some work etc. 2) colo some gear bespoke
to your larger customers, and some well priced gear you can find
to vps out of 3) profit. and for
the rest of your life.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: disk goes down. shit gets stolen. ddos. your isp is ~broker
to
the upstream, so you have
to escalate.
mircea_popescu: get
the gf involved, if more hands are needed send her
to
the lesbian club
to come back with another.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it ~may lead
there~. which from what i gather some people want for
themselves, or something.
mircea_popescu: and i can keep cycling
through
them
till kingdom come, it's like
trying
to buy heroin in chicago.
mircea_popescu: trinque no but
this is
the problem, a full slate of lanky, ill kept 20 somethings
that would be
technically brilliant and have all
the business sense of a dead hooker.
trinque: well, where
the fuck did
that guy go?
Framedragger: cock.li served its mission for doing initial ipv4 space scans,
tho
mircea_popescu: (yes, mp has been
trying
to do
this for a long, long
time now.)
mircea_popescu: take only btc, pay your 0.1%
to
the republic and live happily ever after as a well respected, much sought and very productive member of
the community.
trinque: asciilifeform knows
this, but his only solution for diddlement is
to be able
to fire
the
thing onto a clean box quickly, and I understand
the challenges
there re: state.
mircea_popescu: so,
to reiterate
the constructive part, also found in 2015 discussion re same : a) identify some decent dcs
that do good service.
this may be prior knowledghe, may be proximity so you can visit poersonally od some work etc. 2) colo some gear bespoke
to your larger customers, and some well priced gear you can find
to vps out of 3) profit. and for
the rest of your life.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: myeah.
the idea was "to rent it by
the month". foxtail i guess.
Framedragger: '15k
to rent for a month' is an insane way of wording. nevertheless, i learned my lesson
mircea_popescu: well what
the fucxk am i going
to do with it for a month,
takes longer
to install it.
that's like giving yo ua one month employment, i recall you're on
the record explainin
the downside.
mircea_popescu: i was speaking of yearly costs
throughout what
the fuck.
Framedragger: ah fuck
that was annual, he duped us!! (i'm sorry.)
mircea_popescu: and especially not when
the last
time we had an argument you ate your intel or what was it.
mircea_popescu: and in general don't get into fucking arguments with me about my numbers being off when i buy
these weekly and you do yearly if at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
take cherryservers, by far one of
the cheapest : 4x e5 4620 v3 is 1300 euros for a year
Framedragger: (i of course see
the point (by way of
tmsr history as well) of being able
to choose particular customers carefully,
that is
true of course)
mircea_popescu: out of
the money i wasted since 2015
they could have burned 10 and i wouldn't have actually noticed
the difference.
mircea_popescu: currently a server costs 3k
to buy and 15k
to rent for a month.
mircea_popescu: adding manpower
to a project makes it later.
this is eminently visible here, it is an unspeakable advantage
to be able
to work alone, because
the "team" at ovh makes everyone dumber not smarter.
mircea_popescu: which nobody forces you
to import because a) you're not a bunch of french speaking
tards with barely
the brainpower needed
to power a chickenh and b) you're not stuck chashing
the "shared and wordpress" hosting "market" composed of similarly mentally stunted individuals and
their $5 yearly budget.
mircea_popescu: which is precisely and exactly what you'd do
too. and so no, absolutely no differeence in kind between you and ovh,
Framedragger: i'd need
to check but i do believe
they do. but sure, it may as well lease
them.
mircea_popescu: it just has a contractual relation with
them.
they're operated in a diff "pc"
Framedragger: yes, it rents servers and bandwidth
to customers.
Framedragger: a
thing which at
the very least has a NOC 24/7 incident response centre.
Framedragger: that's
true, and i see why you're bewildered. it's just
that under
the description above, i only see a wot-member being an interface point with a normal-isp. i suppose you would say
that 'yes and
this is fine' (it's about having someone who is in wot be responsible)?
mircea_popescu: people open fucking restaurants with MAJOR investment on
the basis of ~the hope~
that maybe
they get
the foot
traffic.
mircea_popescu: i never heard of anyone with a guaranteed market
this size being "oh... but
the bugaboo and
the
tsetse fly".
mircea_popescu: alright. point remains -- we do use
THIS resource in excess of any other.
Framedragger: you're not, you're not. also re several hundred, it's less, it's
two small dedicated boxes on malware-infested provider + a vps
trinque: mircea_popescu: in
the 15-20k range across all projects
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you yourself pay at least a few hundred a month on it. do you pay
that much in rent ? on it fucking goes,
this.
Framedragger: so just
to clarify
the
technicalities in my mind, in your head
this doesn't even imply registering for an isp as 'normally' understood (getting an autonomous system number assigned). which means you may not even be able
to control reverse ip records. not a lotta.. power.. if shit goes down. which it will.
trinque: comcast isn't an ISP; it's a
tv company
mircea_popescu: it's not a fucking
telco. it rents lines and resells
them
to consumers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and add yet another girl nobody knows
to
the wot and you weirdos get
to worry and wonder about her
too, and
then another and
then another and by 2020 wot consists of mp and his friends and
these weird dudes ? really,
this is
the plan ?
Framedragger: unless you own
them and have physical access
to, which exposes one
to opsec + requirement
to live in non-nato country, or w/e.
Framedragger: i'm not sure if it's accurate
to call self 'isp' if you're just reselling rented servers.
mircea_popescu: EVERYONE here.
trinque has servers, yes ? Framedragger rents servers yes ? EVERYONE spends more on servers
than on rent.
there's a huge amount of money
that should NOT be paid out
to fucking hilary clinton's friends.
mircea_popescu: for
the past
two years, since i last brought
this up, guess what ? i've been paying non-wot people. because i gotta keep servers up yes.
mircea_popescu: how fucking hard is it
to grasp.
there's money on
the
table fucking pick it up already jesus god almighty it's like
trying
to get cs grad students
to
talk
to girls.
mircea_popescu: i am currently spending
TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. each year. on
this service.
Framedragger: we are, in a way, oblivious,
to
the *present issues at hand*, hm.
mircea_popescu: why
the fuck should i buy it from anyone outside of wot ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nevermind
that! i want
to get a new eulora server, for instance.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you said yourself
that
there is no bulletproof hosting. how long do public
torrent sites survive? and do you
think
they have not
tried
the 'bulletproof' route (not all of
them, granted)?
mircea_popescu: people in
the republic ARE MENTAL DEFFECTIVES meanwhile, REFUSE!!111
to be paid
to do simple
task.
mircea_popescu: i do not wish
to pay random idiots, i wish
to pay people in
the republic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
ten
thousand different idiots are offering me
this service as we speak.
mircea_popescu: today. right now. as we speak. people are doing
the useful
task of putting cpus in boxes. is
this incomprehensible
to
the engineering mind ?
Framedragger: so what,
the idea is
to jump around DCs (i assumed low bar for calling self isp is at least getting an AS number, btw) while
they're kicking you, and only do rental contracts short enough so
that not
too much cash gets burned.
mircea_popescu: "wash
the dishes" "hang on im designing an alien dish washer" "in
the
time you've been jacking off with
the lolpics, other people ate out of washing dishes as professionals, you fucking
tard you."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there is no grenade. it is a business, like giving away a ny restaurant. it will make a million or
two over one's active life.