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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-28#900089 << the thread of interest. ☝︎
asciilifeform: btw we did the 'onerng' thing here.
asciilifeform: <Captain_Beezay> also,I'd never touch anything named that,regardless of quality. onerng is out there fyi << lel
asciilifeform: but what's in that other.
mircea_popescu: * Topic for ##crypto set by hlieberman at Fri Jan 20 11:28:52 2017
mircea_popescu: * Topic for ##crypto is: Welcome to ##crypto for cryptography theory and practice | "We appeal, as human beings, to human beings: Remember your humanity, and forget the rest." | Resources: http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac http://www.keylength.com | Ethics: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf
mircea_popescu: apparently i was there before.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: when i said "might not even be worthless" i actually meant it in the sense that i observe chatter there and it's not all ~noise (but very small sample, and no time to read backlog there). then again, sure markov bots etc
mircea_popescu: pretty much all that grows on the fertile soil of the red skin's plain is potatoe. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of these obscure clutches in us subculture. elvis and his colonel, warhol and his hanger ons, the beatles + yoko ono + etc, waters divine and the whol;e baltimore gang, the algonquin long table, on it goes.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'people' in the sense of the randos hanging out, e.g., here, and never saying a word, is the idea.
trinque: check it out; he learned the splitting
Framedragger: usg sybils deliberately working to blackhole asciilifeform's emails!
Framedragger: btw there are like 770 people sitting and talking on ##crypto, it might not even be 100% hopeless, curious if they would respond well to FUCKGOATS advertising ☟︎
Framedragger: hah i didn't know about that! nice one...
mircea_popescu: (see a,a novel and the whole joyce-warhol "dialogue" also)
Framedragger: yeah in retrospect should have left that one be
mircea_popescu: it'd have been high brow snark had the reference somehow worked ; but i couldn't unearth one that'd so work. "last us philosopher was this irish novelist"
phf: i thought that was some kind of high brow snark
mircea_popescu: i thought you were being insulting deliberately o.O
Framedragger: s/james joyce/william james/ ^ BingoBoingo i mixed up my english, too
trinque: "no, I just want to kill everyone I see"
mircea_popescu: inb4 us medical profession wakes up to the sad fact that the raise in autism has nothing to do with ~organic~ causes. the kids just don't like the environment any, opt out. ☟︎
trinque: it's probably a better life to have the mind filled with the words of the intelligent, but silence is preferable to the neurotic babble
trinque: sure, and was doing mostly that, prowling about in nature, with free time
mircea_popescu: samuel clemens not random pick, he did these ad hoc speeches over dinner etc.
trinque spent months years ago not talking to a soul except as needed at work ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hey, the (at the time, 1917s, 1867s etc) noted anti-intellectualism of usians yielded ~something~.
trinque: and turn everyone into tribal idiots
mircea_popescu: it's one way to... "keep the peace"
trinque: seems to be what the whole anglosphere did to itself
trinque: see: hood chicago for extreme case of "kill anything that rises higher than this line"
mircea_popescu: the last time us citizen actually said something in public that wasn't marketing-derivative might have been before mark twain was born. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: jerry seinfeld cropped his ad-hoc speech to "mr and mrs ross" from something called "The wrath of khan", which was what ? space-soap opera, ie extended kitchen detergent sales copy.
mircea_popescu: you may think eg pete_dushenski is a little strange for desiring nothing other than you know, making a new website where to retell fuckgoats shop page "in his own words". but who does anything else, on that sad continent ? where ? when ?
mircea_popescu: does there exist a substantial us conversation BESIDES regurgitation / repackaging of marketing content ?
trinque: elliot did a lot of this, regurgitation of bad marketing, like most of his reading involved cereal boxes and ends of infomercials
asciilifeform: 'Don't use pirated software or pirate any content. Netflix is cheap, Spotify is free if you tolerate ads, and honestly there are tonnes of open source solutions for whatever you need to do.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: graduated from "i can make website" to "excel support" to "windows troubleshooting" to eventually "powershell" and "put it in my card reader and used Win32DiskImager to take a full clone of the card."
mircea_popescu: the windows "computer expert" generally got hired as an intern by some usg."corporation" and specialiuzed in the workplace.
mircea_popescu: and they all did the same things -- worked in "anti virus" for a spell, are very much into "virtualization", etc.
trinque: after several threads with mircea_popescu re: language I look for that kind of thing everywhere
mircea_popescu: there's a large pile of these, by the way, windows "computer experts".
mircea_popescu: windows idiots are quite the fucking problem aren't they.
mircea_popescu: "I really, really like the fact that Microsoft has embraced Linux in the form of releasing Ubuntu on Windows." "Keep the operating system up to date. If Windows 10 rebooting on you is so inconvenient, you're a lost cause--the most recent update lets you defer up to a month by the way." << same source.
asciilifeform: ( can do it as many times as you like )
asciilifeform: when you instantiate the generic, you get a bignumtron of given width.
phf: rather than "omg, i want this to be variable sized in my next progy!!1"
phf: rather than "omg, i want this to be variable sized in my next progy!!1"
phf: asciilifeform: question lets me understand moving parts better, rather than specifics
asciilifeform: no optimizations of any kind whatsoever. ( in fact, pessimizations, e.g. comparisons all take same amount of time regardless of where difference is, or whether there is one. addition of 0+0 takes same time as, e.g., 2**256 - 1 + 2**256 - 1 . etc )
asciilifeform: (how much space -- can be set for the occasion. but no growth.)
mircea_popescu: yeah but ima read the release.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: end goal is specifically something that specifically mircea_popescu could read, while emptying a glass of rum, without any booklarnin' required. and grasp it.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 22:06 asciilifeform: sooooooo in other nyooz here's a small preview of things to come:
mircea_popescu: you want me to read and understand 500 lines of ada "sneak preview" in real time ?
asciilifeform: consider reading the link...
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 thereby getting cemented into the thing ? you're making 258 bit bignums or what ☝︎
phf: can you have multiple different sized (obviously non-compatible) bignums in the same system?
asciilifeform: the second -- sets the maximal number of computational steps.
asciilifeform: ( the first command in a 'P' program is to set the register width. )
asciilifeform: note that 'fz' size can be whatever you like. it simply has to be set at warmup time.
asciilifeform: there is no valid reason to have them in a crypto proggy.
asciilifeform: ( expensive in complexity , rather than cpu )
asciilifeform: phf: 'infinitely' expandable bignums have their place -- phuctor, for instance. but they are a specialized and EXPENSIVE thing
mircea_popescu: "we perceive that there's significant differential between the illiterate tards we are targetting and the people capable of following this ~blogger's~ (you know, as if that's somehow derrogatory) article."
mircea_popescu: the butthurt is like tardstalk.org grade.
asciilifeform: phf: indeed they are
phf: and all the bignums are the same size? judging by the fact that you're walking the bigits with the same index?
phf: i don't think it's masochism, it's very much in the knuthlamportdijkstra tradition of things, but yeah, typically you would ask cpu with asm if there was an overflow
mircea_popescu: somehow that ilona alexis mendelbaum character managed to not put tits up, either, which is the most scandalous part of the whole affair.
mircea_popescu: in other scams, https://gust.com/companies/securedincomereserve <--> https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16935.htm ("guaranteed" bond "platform" targetting old people / revolutionary data compressing technology)
asciilifeform: (1) is why all (afaik) known bignumtrons use inline asm turds
asciilifeform: this seems like masochism except when you realize that 1) compiler does not give you access to carry flag, portably, or ever will 2) carry flag is a non-mathematical (external) abstraction that cannot be SPARKized
phf: so the formula gives you a carry mask, but you only care if the highest bit carried, in which case there's overflow
asciilifeform: Shift_Right(N, pos) shifts right n positions. (compiles to, e.g., SHR RAX, 1 ) etc
asciilifeform: phf: it isn't global, it is part of the 'generic' definition (analogous to cpp template.) will become apparent when you read entire thing.
phf: i take it and/or/not are bitwise in ada?
asciilifeform: ( q for readers : are the two equations intuitively obvious ? or is the tabular thing actually necessary. )
asciilifeform: paste is not a complete proggy, but excerpt, to put the arithmetical statement in context.
asciilifeform: deceptively familiar-looking to ~every schoolboy. however most programs a n00b writes -- end up not compiling.
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone finds the proof unsatisfying, asciilifeform would like to hear about it ^
mircea_popescu: it'd be like bitcoin going ever higher in terms of fiatcoin.
asciilifeform: what'd that look like ? it isn't as if typical, e.g., usaschwitz inmate, will ever touch real money with own hands
mircea_popescu: which is why the correct approach is to make the general population poorer.
asciilifeform: and the only brake -- is the ~poverty~ of selfsame illiterate beoble
mircea_popescu: i should point out that the primary driver of all these ridiculous "products" is the utter illiteracy of the general population.
asciilifeform: ^ dozens of these.
asciilifeform: 'Sever™ shreds your data into billions of tiny data packets, encrypts each one with a powerful new encryption algorithm developed to STOP villains dead in their tracks...'
mircea_popescu: so what if they're from belgium ?
asciilifeform: ture capital firms for a million in seed money, who later are forced to abandon the broken concept and cut their losses. But it’s not like that– these 5 college students are from Belgium!'
asciilifeform: 'The advertised unit is a keychain that plugs in through the headphone jack of a mobile device, meant to interact closed-source app to provide impenetrable crypto. This crypto is said to use a one-time pad (OTP) system. The design, photos, prototype, and social networking vibe feel all too similar to the vaporware you’d expect a San Francisco based startup of 5 college students to poorly slap together and unload to unsuspecting ven
asciilifeform: https://securitysnakeoil.org/2016/06/04/kickstop-the-blind-ego << gotta take some sort of prize.
asciilifeform: iirc 'other whole thing' wasn't powered by much of anything
mircea_popescu: there's no honest man in that game.
mircea_popescu: just like the other whole thing.
asciilifeform: lul, whole thing powered by diddled miners?!
mircea_popescu: the whole "bitcoin unlimited" thing was a chinese dorks pet project.,
mircea_popescu: aaaawww. is this good for fiatcoin ?