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asciilifeform: every 'idea man' wanted to 'become edison', 'rich off patents'
asciilifeform: edison's megabux had the same 'contagious disease' influence as the success of gates/microshit in 1980s did on software industry
asciilifeform: brothers wright, incidentally, did ~same thing in ~their~ field, and more or less paralyzed it entirely for years
asciilifeform: then marconi joined in the newly-developed 'edison' tradition of patent trollage, by laying claim to EVERY subsequent improvement to radio, by others who came later..
asciilifeform: iirc the butthurt was deep ( and described in the infamous u.s. supreme court trial on subj. ) marconi got the famous '7777' patent , and pr machine cemented his reputation as 'first practical radio!' (though it was largely based on earlier work, by, e.g., lodge, tesla, others)
asciilifeform: d00d was made senator ! and then again lifted up by mussolini.
mircea_popescu: not sure any crown was involved, be that as it may.
asciilifeform: d00d did in fact carry out experiments. but proved also brilliant at taking credit for the work of others.
mircea_popescu: but he worked on telegraph prior neh ?
asciilifeform: or idk who is best comparison today.
mircea_popescu: marconi ? i thought he was poor.
asciilifeform: marconi was interesting case -- i read his patents, and in a few the circuit could not work as drawn, and in fact could not have been drawn by a d00d who understood half of what he was allegedly doing ( vs cribbing )
mircea_popescu: ok. what else, the microwave ? velcro ? what shall we take ? gsm comms ?
mircea_popescu: so take something random, say the touchscreen. who invented, who got assigned ?
asciilifeform: and we very recently iirc had a marconi thread
mircea_popescu: yes but also best model of this "assigned to respectable people" thing.
asciilifeform: iirc that was part of a larger rape, of germany as a whole
asciilifeform: probably most famous case -- transistor
asciilifeform: ( of 'reassigned to respectable' that is )
mircea_popescu: i dunno about all that.
asciilifeform: bitcoin drives the lizards up a wall because it was the first immovable object that resisted the 'irresistible force'
asciilifeform: your solution will simply get confiscated and assigned to 'respectable people' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this whole theory is a little shaky.
asciilifeform: and thousands of asian phd students get dissertation from proposing a new thermal/field/whatever sensor for it, etc
asciilifeform: the perfect academitron is the hot-fusion reactor -- eternal 'but if only we make it 10% bigger!' chumpatron
mircea_popescu: eh, didn't stop them before.
asciilifeform: the mechanics were described, quite exactly, in 1950s . and it follows, theoretically, that you could power a city of, e.g., strontium-90 scraped off chernobyl.
asciilifeform: ( less, if access to surplus goldentoilets )
asciilifeform: whereas ACTUALLY promising, and wholly noncrackpotterious direction of particle physics -- induced beta decay -- is funded to the princely sum of.. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the latter part is hard to arghue with.
asciilifeform: and the work has exactly same methodology, and same output.
asciilifeform: the people are ~exactly same, on the receiving end of those cheques.
asciilifeform: formerly asciilifeform barfed less from $ 4B paperweight laser than 4b welfare cheques or iraqs . but -- on no small part from educative efforts of mircea_popescu -- now barfs equally
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and in that something it's justified.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't know the result until AFTER. you gotta start building it BEFORE.
mircea_popescu: the difference between ligo and cern is that the later actually does something ; the former...
asciilifeform: is the difference .
mircea_popescu: in this sense and very generally, large scale investigations of the nature of "let's see what happens to laser interference" are not substantially different from historical items such as foucault's pendulum, or the torgue balance of 1700
asciilifeform: but cataloguing, naming, imaginary ( and when unified, they will look like a quite laughable jorge borges zoo roster ) particules, is not a solution to any of it
mircea_popescu: the fact is that the textbook is incomplete. fails to explain gravity credibly.
asciilifeform: the indian-coder, 'stack overflow' treatment of knowledge .
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:43 phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
asciilifeform: the ligo treatment -- even if taken at face value, rather than grantolade-eating cynical fraud -- is rather like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657309 philosophy. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and even if he believes that it ~cannot~ be further shrunk, it remains his job to die trying ☟︎
asciilifeform: not to expand the book to fill available shelf space.
asciilifeform: can say 'it's mature field', whatnot, but then job of practitioner is to SHRINK the textbook
asciilifeform: and the reason why asciilifeform has low opinion of ligo et al is that physics has been growing like winblowz api, like prb, like tumour, and not like growing child ( or 1600-1950 physics, for that matter )
asciilifeform: iirc we had this thread..
asciilifeform: where's the sukhoi ?
mircea_popescu: well no, some are the sukhoi, some are the f
mircea_popescu: well they built some massive laser fuckfloors.
asciilifeform: it spent so that buncha lamers can have wifehousechildren.
asciilifeform: dunno if it is accurate to describe the grantolade dispense as 'spent to .. see how gravity '
mircea_popescu: i always suspected the ligo nonsense was why alf had such a low opinion of eg cern cyclotron.
mircea_popescu: so obviously the trauma produced some reactions. but to outright ban photons is a little much.
asciilifeform: and it is very easy to dismiss a physics heretic for 'talking to journalists, a la pons&fleischman', e.g. http://archive.is/FeaSm
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you recall, largest grant by nsf, caltech and mit (of course) spent a decade starting with post-collapse (sept 2001) trying to see how gravity influences laser beams through measuring interference. never saw anything.
asciilifeform: so asciilifeform classified him as ' a tesla ' and filed away.
mircea_popescu: i did not, because i did not like the reactive nature of it ^ above.
asciilifeform: it dun have enough meat on its bones, at least as presented in the b00k, ☟︎
asciilifeform: ftr i tried to give him the uncle al treatment, and actually digest his theory
mircea_popescu: came up with a way to explain away laser interferometry not showing these "grav waves" by declaring photons kulaks / enemy of the solid state or such. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh, the "collective action electrons" guy.
mircea_popescu: "Gravitational coupling of the propagation four-vectors of matter wave functions is formulated in flat space-time."
asciilifeform: possibly was looking for g_l's crackpottery ? that was a 4, not a 5, and it can be found, e.g, here, https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.04866
mircea_popescu: i'm just trying to follow the conversation, clap along.
mircea_popescu: "The G4V transforms the standard DJ MIDI device into a dynamic and formidable software performance controller. Within its fully metal enclosure are 2 ..."
mircea_popescu rereads log, missed this line apparently because doing log checking in parallel with bothering ex romanian ex con ex prime minister.
trinque: ah so g_l refueled on smart-guy virtue signaling, off now to dry clothes on line next to peter thiel's agar pool?
asciilifeform: ( for approx same reason that it doesn't work for bitcoin )
asciilifeform: the 10,000,000 html turdlets approach doesn't work tho.
asciilifeform: it'll have to be rewritten, aha, this isn't really workable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the web / backend decoupling will hafta occur, it's too fragile as it is
asciilifeform: i've been seeing this nonsense for months.
asciilifeform: it dun look like 'people clicking', nor even attempts to.
asciilifeform: other than 'script'
asciilifeform: ^ first idea that'd actually match the observation
mircea_popescu: there are also shitty mobile browser that "prefetch", but whatever.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i sometimes will click on a bunch of links. i imagine others too.
mircea_popescu: i don't see msec there. i see seconds
Framedragger: same number of ms? mk that's curious
asciilifeform: clicked all of them, and in same order, and exactly same # of msec apart ?
mircea_popescu: yes, loading the page. but maybe someone clicked the links, is the idea.
asciilifeform: loading the page, in ordinary browsers, does not result in req-to-every-link
asciilifeform: well, they got PARSED out of an archive.is'd page.
mircea_popescu: seems they actually get clicked from archive.is
mircea_popescu: i dun see the random referer in the snippet.
asciilifeform: which browser is it that makes 1,001 requests, with random refer header , when loading a page ?
mircea_popescu: ie, mentioned in the logs, google knows them.
mircea_popescu: note that the items in your paste... are indexed as such.
asciilifeform: it doesn't even pretend to 'look like people'
asciilifeform: holy FUCK read the paste plox.
mircea_popescu: or people read some article somewhere, tried to check out phuctor.
asciilifeform: knew which leg is sprained, and hits specifically that leg.
asciilifeform: perpetrator reads the logs.
asciilifeform: it does in specifically this case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that 100 lines in 5 minute can count as a dos
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah i used NAT in much too general a sense of the word. i meant "rando PCs behind routers etc."
mircea_popescu: Framedragger something would have an ip. that which has the ip -- has the ip/
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you may be right, seeing as that "betaBot" is a piece of some older malware, seemingly