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asciilifeform: but for some purposes 640k is 10x moar than you would ever even need,
asciilifeform: trinque: on bare iron, too
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:27 mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666358 << phunphakt: dos drivers (tsr!) exist for ~all recent nic chipsets. i don't even know why, but they do. they figure in my eternal 'reverse rtlink GB chip' thing. ☝︎
trinque: to have one's life's work end up on the longest chain, and not discarded. ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: there was a thread, at one point, with philosophical puzzle -- if chained to wheelbarrow at butugychag, would you rather have one with spikes on handles, or not. or something to this effect.
trinque: one advantage of being one of the least educated guys here. "my life is wasted" happened ~decade ago.
trinque: not as if I wouldn't like there to be recourse here.
mircea_popescu: tis a bitter pill this, "computing never actually worked. ever. period."
trinque: you can't recall the "but intel nics" loop yourself?
trinque: asciilifeform: in other threads you're the one making the same claim.
mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:23 mircea_popescu: trinque kinda my thinking. gentoo === ubuntu, and for that matter === windows. not really better, just "different".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666349 << spoken like a true 'my comp is ipad with keyboard' fella. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's "decent starts" all the way down.
mircea_popescu: "oh, but we patch that". sure you do. and who's gonna feed the boy genius that manages all the patchcomplexity ?
mod6: yah, that shit is br0k3d
mircea_popescu: i don't. there's nothing to capsule. have some lulz-debian with their epic rngs capsuled ? noty.
trinque: I think phf is right in pointing to old debian cd sets as dep time capsules.
mircea_popescu: trinque kinda my thinking. gentoo === ubuntu, and for that matter === windows. not really better, just "different". ☟︎
asciilifeform: not if you actually ~work~ with the comp.
asciilifeform: because there isn't actually an alternative.
trinque: asciilifeform: no disagreement there either; here I sit on my own heirloom pistolchair
asciilifeform: i speak of gentoo in past tense. but it remains that every box i will ever, likely, live to use , will still be made from bricks of the ruins of gentoo, and not from anything else.
trinque: could have, but nobody beat anyone when ebuilds decided to pull down deps out of band into /var/tmp or wherever
asciilifeform: trinque: to the extent gentoo was interesting, it was because it enabled ~nonstandardization~.
trinque: attacker will know exactly what surprises to apply to all.
trinque: considering the million years worth of surprise, I'm inclined to believe that standardization on gentoo or whatever else is insane.
asciilifeform: trinque: in the multiGB tub of liquishit, there are million years' worth of 'surprise'
trinque: point being how does one not say to himself, "if connected to net, what you've got there is an NSA terminal, and that's it"
asciilifeform: i have not tested it.
asciilifeform: btw there is a dbus-remover patch for chromium, somewhere
asciilifeform: the important bit is that it has to be done on a ~virginal~ gentoo
asciilifeform: (i.e. resulted in a very usable box, that i still use every day)
asciilifeform: before you say 'nowai' -- i was equally surprised that the poettering ban worked as well as it did
asciilifeform: now you might try same recipe, cum a gcc5 ban
ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ahc2R/?raw=true << this still pulls gcc 5 in, yes?
mircea_popescu: the idea is to have acceptable ends.
mircea_popescu: that's what this whole tower of idiot boy excrement consists of.
asciilifeform: 'The use of Git and SSL/TLS sets a very high barrier for in-flight tampering. This is not the point of discussion.' lel
mircea_popescu: there's no problem with the provision of "decent starts".
mircea_popescu: as i was saying, been there, done that, got no tshirt.
ben_vulpes: so xorg-drivers 1.18-r1 pulls in xorg-server-1.19.3, which pulls in xorg-drivers-1.19.3 which conflicts with the requested version
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 21:36 gabriel_laddel: $$ later tell dina_corman gentoo distfile backups
gabriel_laddel_p: I don't have the disk space to back these up myself, but someone can start with: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1552071 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma hazard a guess, that you will barf long before ever succeeding in actually tracking down 100% of the src that adds up to a given rathead install.
phf: yeah, i think they package them into srpms, but i'm not sure if they are mandatory step in the distribution process
phf: afaiu the only distros that preserve the whole thing are debian and redhat
phf: i don't think bsd mirrors it either, it's not mandatory by design anyway
asciilifeform: ( one of the appeals of bsd is that something like it -- existed )
asciilifeform: and point out -- afaik there was never a 'whole world' mirror.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 00:38 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could one pull down an older portage archive and run from that forever? although forsaking updates?
mircea_popescu: in theory there's no difference between theory and practice.
asciilifeform: ( gentoo per se automates a good chunk of the work. iterate over xorgs until one builds with gcc4... )
asciilifeform: trinque: a finite # of these releases, existed... theoretically could try'em all
mircea_popescu: what's to say. the volume of shit you gotta preserve rapidly expands > the gb. the work your techs are required to do in order to accomplish this scales ~liniarily with the shithub "work" of the maggots.
trinque: the thing's recursively hairy
mircea_popescu: i briefly tried to do that on s.mg. it... didn't work out.
trinque: this appears to lead to infinite regress
asciilifeform: btw ben_vulpes et al : might be worthwhile to find the last uninfected ver. of xorg.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure the bitching is in teh log at the time or something.
asciilifeform: blobulated to death
mircea_popescu: after eating however many woman-weeks as the stupid shit is wont to do.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
mircea_popescu: for historical accuracy : /me had bozo bit set on the above linked item when it couldn't emerge video.
mircea_popescu: never was the case.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and likewise no one ( or at the very least, nkt asciilifeform ) knows of a moment in time when it was wholly healthy, with 0 wormy bits
mircea_popescu: i thought this is what we're all trying. only to discover that whatever, xorg now no longer builds without gcc5 etc.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik there has never existed a full portage archive. some crud or other is always 'elsewhere'.
ben_vulpes: would be neat to hear a field report
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you've had this tried?
mircea_popescu: never seems to work out in practice.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could one pull down an older portage archive and run from that forever? although forsaking updates? ☟︎
asciilifeform: if you want to use'em.
asciilifeform: incidentally phf, i've been using the machine i built wih that recipe, ever since, and the list of proggies that - turns out - won't build ( because terminally infested ) is getting ever longer
phf: of course as soon as i asked, i figured out the right keywords
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the old, nearly forgotten usefulstuffonwww galaxy, http://www.rhunt.f9.co.uk/Glass_Blowing/Glass_Blowing_Menu.htm
BingoBoingo: Motorcycle is too safe to be cure for hamplanetry
asciilifeform: will cure -- one way or the other.
asciilifeform: incidentally BingoBoingo -- imho encouraging these folx to take up motorcycle is a wholesome thing
mircea_popescu: "proceedings in rem" and all the rest of that scandalous bullshit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the heuristic is, "hey, this shit not owned by aparatchik ? give it to aparatchik then!"
asciilifeform: what's even left for them to steal ?
mircea_popescu: fuyck that shit. there's no need for a "united nations office of organized crime".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the piece of shit un is all going into overdrive with trying to get states to implement the usg-tronic "we'll just steal shit because it belongs to criminals hurr durr".
BingoBoingo: And all this bullshit is polluting my searches for "Can [vehicle] suspension handle ramp jumping"
mircea_popescu: the fatsos are really offensive by now with their "oh, i have a right to exist" bullshit.
BingoBoingo: Not knowing that fucking exhaust system means needing to fuck carb to match can be forgiven, that is much math. Not knowing why vehicle designed to carry passenger ~25-33% of it's own mass objects to passenger ~70-200% is unforgivable hamplanetry
BingoBoingo: Punchline: "I am staying with the lighter, nimbler, simpler B400. I love my 400. Thank You. "
BingoBoingo: " Yes Suzuki, I am FAT! 315 pounds and my passenger is another 225, plus 50 pounds of our junk to carry for a total of 590 pounds on my 08 Burgman 400! My 400 is great on power, but supension is weak, even when set on 7 (the highest setting). We need a VERY HEAVY DUTY SUSPENSION FOR THE BURGMAN 400!" << "Get rid of the 400 ... Problem solved"
mircea_popescu: the pretense of calling the enemy manufacture chain "improvised" is particularly lulzy coming from some people whose entire industrial process consists of impovising mixes out of chinese inputs.
mircea_popescu: mostly a testament on how ~useless weaporny is.
phf: https://mwi.usma.edu/effective-weapon-modern-battlefield-concrete/ on the role of concrete in the iraq war
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2017 Statement
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 17:35 trinque knows a person who owns a weimaraner, thing paces in her back yard back and forth between back door and window so much there's no grass in the path, has various other compulsions
trinque: aha. brings to mind http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579202 ☝︎
asciilifeform: lol nope , that's what the herbivores said
mircea_popescu: nah. more likely, something about how violence is not the answer and koombaya
asciilifeform: 'you think ~you~ don't live in a zoo
asciilifeform: trinque: if zoo animal could speak, he might say same thing re 'civilized' man.