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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816658 << actually this is pretty good a point, seeing how the tit actually goes INTO the face. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this is actually a worthy plan.
mod6: so thats ^^^ my version of openssl on my aws instance, and i've sync'd successfully at lesat a dozen times in the last 4 months on there
mircea_popescu: might be a bug specific to the 9.8o but then that doesn't explain how all the others worked
asciilifeform picked a very arbitrary openssl
mod6: root@debian-test:~# openssl version -a
mod6: i just got a chance to work on it again here now.
mircea_popescu: am i a bad person for lulzing at this ?
mircea_popescu: "psycd is currently being refactored into a GNUnet service to run secushare on. The former psycd code is quite interesting, but currently unmaintained. "
asciilifeform: just have the thing load a straight linux kernel
asciilifeform: (you can pump in a fresh kernel with tftp)
asciilifeform: helps in resurrecting a totally b0rk3d machine, yes
asciilifeform: there's a complete shell in there
mircea_popescu: a shortcut through the mud
mircea_popescu: okies, so basically he found a shortcut ?
asciilifeform: one ends up with a mindbogglingly-heavy ubuntu-style thing, complete with 'systemd'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a public set of instructions for installing 'archlinux' for arm onto 'pogo'.
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, danielpbarron had a normal pogo
danielpbarron: it had me download a script and run it
asciilifeform: other than that, one can take a snapshot: dd if=/dev/mtd0 of=turd.bin
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: so possibly you got a slightly more recent fw than i
trinque: but everything around me is a superfund site
trinque: I-I just want to swim in a lake not filled with shit!
asciilifeform: the root fs is a 'ubifs'
asciilifeform: followed by a similarly sized empty one
asciilifeform: followed by a partition holding kernel
asciilifeform: the unit i have, had to be reflashed with a modern build of this, to boot from anywhere other than the kernel and root partitions in eeprom
asciilifeform: (a kind of programmable bootloader, similar to 'lilo')
asciilifeform: there is a boot partition there, containing an ancient version of 'uboot'
danielpbarron: 'uboot' does not ring a bell
mircea_popescu: as 1 goes up and 2 goes down there's at some critical point after which a man is taking his voice in his hands.
mircea_popescu: trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from. ☟︎
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mircea_popescu: there's of course a finite number of photons that saw it, but w/e man.
mircea_popescu: and global record of 1+1 was trivial. perhaps on a machine much akin to physical reality : the result of mixing milk and water is stored for everyone to see - they need but look
asciilifeform: rather than a global record of every 1+1.
trinque: I try to only ask a few stupid questions a day :P
mircea_popescu idly wonders what'd a world look like where gavinesque insanities actually made sense. "have everyone's coffee purchases validated by everyone and preserved forever".
mircea_popescu: well, job's a job. back in whatever on a new one.
danielpbarron had a similar feeling
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the_scourge: i need to head off... this weekend i'm going to look into the parallella. i'm curious if a symbolics machine could be implemented in it's FPGA
the_scourge: bindings are a really personal thing. i just hope that i can learn emacs and manage to use leaders for everything, that's all :)
the_scourge: well i've seen a lot of gnarled old hands. all of them told me it was chording that did it
the_scourge: i've noticed you don't capitalize a lot of the time
the_scourge: well i'm paying myself paternity leave coming up soon so i'll learn emacs. haven't had a chance for a bit of time in a while
the_scourge: i assumed it was poor design and useless academics who'd never had to do a hard day's work in their lives. perhaps it is a shit test?
the_scourge: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na < funny, that's one of the reason i've avoided ☟︎
asciilifeform: the_scourge: bullshit is not welcome in #b-a.
the_scourge: you sound confident. what if i told you there was a psyc daemon implemented in 15 lines of common lisp? :)
the_scourge: there are a dozen i think. 2 of them named psycd
asciilifeform: psycd is a cancerous monstrosity.
the_scourge: speaking of greenfield, what was the reason for greenfielding a re-implementation of psycd? (assuming gossipd has already been written)
asciilifeform: 'year zero' simply refers to a reset, where you forget that a given field even has a history (except as an encyclopaedia of what not to do.)
the_scourge: and that search needs a d at the end ^ (for anyone following along at home)
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the_scourge: "I estimate that 90-95% of the work in Plan 9 was directly or indirectly to honor externally imposed standards." < wow that is really sad... and ... is there a solution?
asciilifeform: it would be either a crock of shit, or book-length
the_scourge: asciilifeform: can i get a blow by blow on what historical event was this allegorical thermonuclear war?
asciilifeform: when i explain to folks why i dislike programming on available systems, i sometimes use example that it is rather like being a fellow who likes gardening, but there was a thermonuclear war not long ago, and you gotta sift the soil with sapper's spade in one hand, geiger in the other, and there won't be much sunlight to be had either.
the_scourge: trinque: he like vimscript. a lot! :)
trinque grows to suspect that there is not a programming environment asciilifeform likes
asciilifeform: the_scourge: in the days of rms, symbolics corp. sold machines. the cheapest started at about the cost of a single-propeller airplane.
the_scourge: just when i was starting to think esr and rms didn't have a point. maybe they did
the_scourge: what do they charge for a copy
asciilifeform: nor is it included with a purchase.
trinque has very little idea where to start in terms of choosing a sane programming environment with which to make bezzlars
asciilifeform: the binary is a w4r3z blob, and occasionally distributed with the pirated source.
asciilifeform: the_scourge: that's merely a script for setting up the unofficial amd64 binary to run under a modern linux.
asciilifeform: the_scourge: the 'open' in 'opengenera' is an archaic 1980s usg-ism. it simply refers to the fact that a product features industry-standard protocols like tcp/ip and does not require you to buy the entire universe you live in from one particular vendor.
asciilifeform: and a small piece in cambridge, ma
trinque: I've seen clojure/clojurescript, cl/parenscript, haskell/fey (and a few others)
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trinque: what I'd like is a situation where I'm writing the same language in both a browser and on the server
the_scourge: asciilifeform: did you ever use a genera machine?
asciilifeform: this whole 'www' thing never made sense to me. if you can open a socket, you can crap out html
asciilifeform: parenscript is just a lib for any ordinary cl
trinque: what I end up using has a lot to do with "what can I fart a website out in"
asciilifeform: you know, the folks who walk in with a turd and explain to you that it's 'just the same' as a sausage, but 'more up with the times'
asciilifeform: a bauble pushed by unrepentantly lying chumpatronicists.
asciilifeform not a fan
the_scourge: asciilifeform: thanks. historically all i know about is really the AI lab stuff. i went through a phase where i read the jargon book and some more 'original' sources about the AI labs. but this was almost 20 years ago
mircea_popescu: ... you want to code for a machine that doesn't exist ?!
the_scourge: that mark tarver article really resonated with me. that pretty much described me to a T.. and still does. it's actually why i ended up doing non-STEM degrees: there is no lack of boredom when you're lost in a library
the_scourge: first is to be able to continue (at least for a while) doing my consulting without shooting myself from boredome
BingoBoingo: brb, going on a bender this weekend.
BingoBoingo: On day the phenomenon is in the logs getting discussed, the next it's the angle used to disect a fraud in the news.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's a nice one
asciilifeform: further suggesting that the latter was a 'loss leader' all along
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is a major point. the death of the linux is not exactly unrelated toi the major disappointment of the money makers.
mircea_popescu: iirc there existed an alsa as a kernel module
mircea_popescu: i would imagine alsa is uncontroversially a massive failure on poettering's scoreboard.
asciilifeform: it actually has a closer resemblance to the perverse programming languages discussed earlier in this thread, than to systemd
mircea_popescu: this is even skipping the "ambitious nobody proponent with a history of failure up to that point"
asciilifeform followed project for a while before it was publicly advertised
asciilifeform: had a perverse functional-programming master's thesis disguised as an open source project, yes
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that a) not really and b) a machine's not really supposed to boot anyway
mircea_popescu: how is poettering to sell a shitty re-implementation of yarvin's pile of crap ? PROCLAIM LOUDLY THAT IT BOOTS FASTLY.