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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's a visit do ? << A visit allow a read of "Is anyone here", Was anyone here 2,4,5,10 years ago
BingoBoingo: Well, a plumb, Most of these "hosting" forums maybe see 20 posts a year from the same 4 wankers spamming in a circle
mircea_popescu: what's a visit do ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no, "handy" in the sense of "mp already did the work of enumerating tghe venues so i can name one that's handy on those shoulders" << Out of tophost.com, hostingdiscussion.com, topsearch.com, warriorforums, and forums.hostsearch.com, it seems only Digitalpoint might be worth a revisit
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ever thought about taking in a 50yo male slave, mediteranean complexion ?
asciilifeform: fetlife is a handy corral for gurlz. what'd be equiv, in mircea_popescu's eye, for this ?
mircea_popescu: i expect if attempted it'll immediately run into the same problem pizarro is encountering, whereas bois will do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, no matter how patently stupid and laughing impending beheading in the face, just as long as it's NOT "talk to a lot of people". ☟︎
asciilifeform would switch, in a heartbeat, to fulltiming at hypothetical tmsr consultancy, if it could be made to get off ground
mircea_popescu: obviously a dishelved incel finally pushed to dating by desperation is going to produce less meat than a purpose-dedicated female, yes ?
mircea_popescu: this is a facet of what i'm saying : rather than have you "look for a girlfriend as best i can when i perceive i need one", how about you have a ~girl~ look for girlfriends ALL THE TIME, and you can pick one or a few when inclined.
asciilifeform: buncha dirt is also notaperson, but farmer -- stuck giving a shit re dirt
Mocky: but i'm totally down to give it a try (after employed). it's gonna be hoot!
mircea_popescu: Mocky people get fired all the time, who gives a shit.
Mocky: my concern is that often it takes me a year to build an accurate enough mental model to be able to solve problem which prompted the lamp rubbing in a reasonable time
asciilifeform: i can speak only for self. but for instance asciilifeform , in saeculum, maintains a 100s-kloc winblowz atrocity. and this requires keeping it loaded into head. how would this go under mircea_popescu's scheme ? each d00d in bourbaki stuck also loading it ?
mircea_popescu: look, "short latency", what's that mean ? either it means you're cutting carrots one at a time, or else it means you don't, therefore perfectly possible to have a specialist phone robot.
mircea_popescu: programmers are whores, but usually under a roof, not on the street.
asciilifeform does remote, for yrs nao. but it's still packaged in the form of 'here's this 1 d00d, and we rub lamp and he grants wishes, with voice command'. nao conceivably ~someone~ ~somewhere~ aint ameri-tarded and actually packages ~work~, rather than 'we rent a d00d and command via voice' , but i haven't seen this with own eyes yet.
mircea_popescu: whoever feels like doing some saeculum work that day draws a ticket.
mircea_popescu: have a team of specialist appliers to jobs, dump all the task in some flatfile for you folks to pass around encrypted, and that's pretty much it.
mircea_popescu: certainly worth a try.
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, pending how well this goes, that we could have a bourbaki
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1879959 painfully slow from my pov, got three phone interviews coming up but not on the calendar yet cuz peeps taking time off. a bunch more that I'm waiting to hear about. ☝︎
asciilifeform observed on numerous occasions that 'phree world' converged to exactly a 9000x less efficient version of ye olde su allocative structure
mircea_popescu: it's stupidly kept "closed", but what do you want to know when talking to a doctor ? "the list of previous cases plox" right ? ie "wot ?"
asciilifeform: aha, we had a a++ mircea_popescu thread re 'allocative vs subsistance functions of moneys'
mircea_popescu: it seems to me what has happened here was, a certain notion of money got shoehorned into evolving practice with nary a thought given to what works how.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo is that a new math ? << It is 0.002 x 12 with a 10% discount applied
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is that a new math ?
mircea_popescu: and i suspect this fundamental intuition is what drives a lot of high socialism (like high protestantism, the nonsense among intelligent folks, as opposed to low) -- the intuition that the 1800 notion of money, perfectly adequate as it is for concretes, utterly fails on abstracts and what one needs is a lot more abstracts than concretes.
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "money". money is eminently broken in handling all this, proof positive being that if you get a hospital bill you can't say if it's correct or not
mircea_popescu: however you call it. but it seems to me, which was the original driver, it seems to me naggum's dilemma illustrates a missing chunk rather than anything else.
asciilifeform: a+++ louis xiii
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, that's not at ALL what was meant by "resistive loss". what was meant was, some labour wastage will occur through guy A getting 1.epsilon the work he needs while guy B getting 1-epsilon and perhaps dying for it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's a whole other can of intricate strange. i wasn't gonna address it till as you say, some l1 folks move on.
mircea_popescu: consider this taken to extremes : suppose the lordship's a few hundred, ie the most it can ever possibly take, and each are castles with hundreds of knights within and so on.
mircea_popescu: it is certainly a good thing emperor of china is not gifting taiwans right now. but the matter remains -- the reward for good work is generally more work in the same vein.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd hope that mircea_popescu knows how to drive a taiwan, cuz chances are that i'd wrap it around a telephone pole, lol
mircea_popescu: taiwan will have to have a governor, and i will do what ? name the most capable ? the most bored ? suppose we do the medieval thing and separate the work from the benefice. then who gets the latter ? and so on.
asciilifeform: the 1 occasion where related, is coupla instances in yrs past when asciilifeform's 'from cause' worx ground to a halt on acct of having to earn bread in saeculum, then asciilifeform rolls eyes at folx who 'motherfucker, where is the promised X/Y/Z'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
mircea_popescu: given a set of ("the place formerly known as sudan", "a monopoly on aviation", "the empire state building") and ("has written proper sgml", "heroically reversed bolix stack","found way to write without getting out of bed"), which is the correct matching ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:12 asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ie, i would propose as a foundational myth, "avik killed naggum". there's something here. << And he did it for (((packing))) Peanuts!
mircea_popescu: because that's not a state of mind conducive to doctoring in the first place.
asciilifeform: well yes. singing on street corner with hat 'please throw a penny' is not 'from surplus'
mircea_popescu: it's a case of wheel powering engine again. all abstract work is a surplus phenomena because the surprlus predates the work. not because "we're poor, but we hope to pay the bills by thinking".
mircea_popescu: but that's incorrect. ~thoguht~ and especially ~abstract work~ is a surplus phenomenon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hence naggum's formulation 'open softs are a surplus phenomenon'
mircea_popescu: (above, generalizing work is work that done once serves many ; particularizing is work which has to be done every time, and each time according to a standard).
mircea_popescu: copyright is a deeply dysfunctional, dumb and braindamaged attempt to "open" the crown allocation process.
mircea_popescu: the problem doesn't need to be stated in terms of "oil, gas" bla bla, "let's imagine adults still exist somewhere". this dork works for a packaging manufacturer, but the problem's evident from the "small business owner" - "web expert" interactions, well documented online.
asciilifeform: ~the~ foundational q, imho, of software having a non-zimbabweistic future -- is whether avik can be prevented from killing naggum.
mircea_popescu: ie, i would propose as a foundational myth, "avik killed naggum". there's something here.
mircea_popescu: now, none of this is an argument for ~all code forever open~. there's no all comers here, and indeed the overwhelm factor is a problem.
mircea_popescu: guy always had a very early-steamengine/textilemill-engineering flavour to me
mircea_popescu: (by which i mean, specifically "i know i'm a hack, and i know i have a finite time until they figure it out, so the more i make while saying the least -- the better")
mircea_popescu: it seems deeply boneheaded to believe publication destroys value, a sort of harlan elinson tack.
asciilifeform: ( mostly, in fact, came from reading material written by folx who lived half century or longer without touching a comp )
mircea_popescu: if, in point of fact, code is kept under wraps, you are, in point of fact, forcing the world into a "things lay where they fell" scheme, and slavery becomes untenable (and deeply something i can't support).
asciilifeform: somehow it dun bother anybody that avik's spleen cannot judge that he's a moron and walk away
mircea_popescu: and you can't say "she should read trilema and figure shit out". a slave doesn't have this, a slave will do what random moron tells them to, which i guess would be going to college or some shit.
mircea_popescu: now let's look at this system : it's not nicole's place to judge her master avik ; separated from this her master avik is a moron. is it our intention that everything should stand as it fell ?
mircea_popescu: there's a female born, somewhere in the indistinct midwest. aged 16, she correctly [yet without having read it] applies the http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ "what female is supposed to be", ends up enslaved by some guy, whom we'll call avik.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 19:15 asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating ancient thread -- 'the best machine is no machine', it weighs nuffin, needs no maintenance. and the best proggy, is no proggy at all, if a problem can be solved without writing proggy, it ought to be. erry line of coad can be rightfully pictured as an act of intellectual littering. y'know, like throwing cig butt or bottle on the ground in the park.
asciilifeform: ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866192 ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: suppose, as a thought experiment, we are now in charge of the world. we are to say how it is to be run.
mircea_popescu: there's a further, important element that he neglects. specifically -- consider slavery.
mircea_popescu: now, conversely -- it is impossible, leaving aside how it is impracticable, to try and make software "secret". from the color of bits to what have you, the notion that you can somehow wrangle ~a concrete, objectified representation~ of the abstract in question to "carry value" is also broken.
mircea_popescu: since the doctor's entitled to some compensation to even out his opportunity cost, the dilemma naggum presents is quite soundly footed : "get sick for a while, see". and plenty of other items go just this way.
mircea_popescu: so, on one hand, he is entirely correct in saying that useful work has to be paid, and whether its abstract work or digging ditches makes no difference. there's nothing special about writing software "that millions will use" (ie, generality) -- because the writer can get sick, and the person handling sick people will HAVE TO drop what they're doing and instead look at deeply similar splotches on a screen and say ~specific~ wo
mircea_popescu: wanna start a discussion of http://www.loper-os.org/#selection-37.0-65.730 ? seems to me mature.
mircea_popescu: a cool.
asciilifeform: i mailed it in as a qntra fodder the other day
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, seems in the ruckus we forgot a lulzy piece : https://news.stanford.edu/2018/12/06/shoucheng-zhang-obituary/ (stanford ablates 55 yo nobel winner physicist because too chinese).
asciilifeform: in su folx would sometimes secretly repair a crippled 'demilitarized' museum rifle; turning a current-day pc into actual comp is actually ~harder~ procedure than this
mircea_popescu: the world, not as a sum, but throughout, each-individual-component-as-well-as-all-groups-of-components, is worse off for computers being more accessible thusly.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea who thought accessibility is a good idea.
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking benefit, the world was better off when there were four computers about total and the fucktarded secretutes sucked dick in office bathrooms instead of derping about how "you don't understand computers" because their stupidphones cut off fields silently and THEY ARE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO REALISE this is a problem, and specifically of theirs...
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do i want to carry through the world a huge pile of tech debt ?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, all that builds is a large contingent of snails who think they can fly, which is PRECISELY technological debt.
mircea_popescu: ple" symbol in that "more people get involved" does NOT denote ~actual~ people. it denotes the sort of people who need a computer to think for them in order to participate in intellectual affairs. ie, NON!!!!-people!
mircea_popescu: i utterly don't need a scriptable wrapper to do string manipulation, what the holy shit is this, onyl someone who grew up on c strings can imagine such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: tbh im not even sure what we want for a web scripting language is php, ie, "text preprocessor"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-11 23:38 asciilifeform: in older lulz, 1d 18h left on the https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-MacIvory-model-3-8-MW-in-an-Apple-Quadra-650-80-MB-9-GB-Genera-8-3/113428507092 auction; i'ma bid, and if can get for under 5 , will have the thing xray tomographied ( sadly i have a quite finite budget presently for the proj )
mircea_popescu: i wake up, with a bladder fulla pee and a bladder fulla words. and more than half the time it's the 2nd that actually makes snoozing impossible.
mircea_popescu: pick one article from there (preferably -- something interesting!), and make a post of it. transcribe it correctly, include all images (cleanned up if they need it ; or restated as http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-html-math/ if practicable) and there you go.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:58 asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr.
mircea_popescu: and yes, the distinction is very specifically driven by the "marriage patterns", ie, western franks allowing women much more choice in mating (resulting predictably in a large contingent of unmated females, a larger still contingent of mated-once, and a much later first mating overal). all this produces a lot of idle time to waste wringing wrists.
mircea_popescu: east of the hajnal line, "fair" means "it's true i'm a poor peasant who needs this chunk of bread, yet the devil saw it first and well... fair is fair"
phf: i was confused by the correctness/fairness thread, until i realized that the use of the word "fair" has changed to its complete opposite from the traditional western use. in folklore fair is a sometimes begrudging recognition and internal compromise of correctness: something is not to your liking, but it's fair, i.e. correct
mircea_popescu: it contains such gems as "He went abroad with him, and brought home such a return as was to be expected from kindred honour and well reciprocated use."
mircea_popescu: interesting item, ran for ~200 years up until ww1 as a sorta-kinda republican log. eventually some society of bored folks in utah produced a complete index, like 100 volumes.
mircea_popescu: turns out i foind a perfect job for it.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-14 04:52 ben_vulpes: they've always been my "wrong tool for every job"; i'd rather have a set of deep sockets in pretty much every situation.
mircea_popescu: honestly, the engine needs a rewrite anyway. and the rewrite needs our svg/html spec. and so following.
asciilifeform: if there were a pair of free hands -- would be great proj, remove gtkism from ye olde ff
mircea_popescu: not a matter of needs. it's fair it should use it!
mircea_popescu: that said, a svg-centric (as per prev log discussion) x-only (no gnome/kde/whatever bs) browser will prolly have to be written anyway.