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asciilifeform: netbsd or minix are afaik the only practical paths towards a 100% crud-free node box.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/a-discussion-of-military-strategy-in-the-21st-century/
asciilifeform: almost like there's a script, aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. this is a cross-compile and uses 'TOOLDIR' var.
asciilifeform: let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr0gr3ss' ☟︎
asciilifeform: thus it will be attacked in every available way. the 'consensus' of 'the community' and 'how the world works' will stand as a solid wall against the 'obsolete, white male privileged' gcc.
asciilifeform: gcc is a natural target, as one of the last remaining total bastions agains poetteringization and 'modern advances,' 'pr0gr3ss!111!1111!,' etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've waken today to a rather full plate, maybe someone else wants.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is esr posting from a parallel universe where llvm has actual optimizations ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is pretty huge. if you feel like spinning it together with the discussion re symbols a few weeks ago makes a pretty great qntra article. informative and in depth of what matters.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: zaurus << and a spare century or two
BingoBoingo: If only you had a Sharp Zaurus to do a native compile
asciilifeform: and the frustrating thing is, i have the kernel built. and all standard userland proggys. but ramdisk also needs the /dev and /etc; the former - has to get crapped out of a build script thingie that refuses to grind
asciilifeform: thing is, netbsd is the one and only path because 1) it builds the toolchain 2) builds a <1MB kernel 3) perfectly set up for a one-executable userland. but (3) refuses to happen so far
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've built perfectly usable netbsd boxes previously. but this one -has- to be a cross-compile. and live in ramdisk.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most NetBSD instructions do. Most platforms they support can get some sort of bootable kernel but not much in the way of a useful userland... The Japanese love it because they can say their toilets "run" unix...
asciilifeform: the published cookbooks, without exception, describe a process which leads nowhere.
asciilifeform: question for all: has anyone, ever, built netbsd ramdisk on cross-compile build system, or knows of anyone who has done so, or knows so much as a shred of evidence that this has ever worked?
danielpbarron: man the redditards have amnesia i guess; they used to use the honeybadger example of "bitcoin don't give a bit!"
mircea_popescu: its a rule of the universe.
beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what "enough people" want and five dollars in cointips buys them a cup of coffee.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a democracy
beetcoin: a fork is not impossible in principle
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him.
beetcoin: but a number of forks have occurred
mircea_popescu: that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery.
beetcoin: well, i realize bitcoin is not a sentient 'actor'
danielpbarron: whereas reddit et al. is a bottomless pit of idiocy
mircea_popescu: one million lines is it ? should be about a year, for someone that is professionally qualified to read.
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, heh yeah at least log.b-a is finite; can't that /that/ long to read
nubbins`: ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box
ben_vulpes: reddit, in this case, counts as a forum.
beetcoin: I have read some of the logs, but it is rather a lot to read
nubbins`: beetcoin, you'll remain curious for a while
nubbins`: as a percentage of average download speed, i guess
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must.
mircea_popescu: torrent chains are a very fucking dumb idea anyway.
BingoBoingo: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain
mircea_popescu: "oh, let's lay low for a coupla years everything will be fine".
mircea_popescu: ;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted.
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
mircea_popescu: Naphex someone remind strateman that a) he is a fucking felon fraudster, whose name is forever besmirched by one of bitcoin's most idiotic heists (bitcoinica)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll give it a read
assbot: Bitcoin Core Dev Patrick Strateman: "petertodd is a retainer slut. hourly is low but most people are paying him for work he isn't doing" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhB4aK )
Naphex: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vfwx8/bitcoin_core_dev_patrick_strateman_petertodd_is_a/
mircea_popescu: and a bottle o' queef gas.
NewLiberty: Sidechains during a hard fork...
nubbins`: i'll put a pin in this, too ^
mircea_popescu: which fails to explain how come some people own millions worth of gear and reddit can barely afford a webcam, but hey.
nubbins`: they're doing it to push the first block of a fork
mircea_popescu: yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him.
nubbins`: if they're shelling out cash, they're not doing it for a user-settable agent string
nubbins`: make a >1MB block and pay nodes that relay it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a stupid idea anyway, how do you verify nodeness ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys
nubbins`: would be pretty lelly to publicly fire up a few k's of .foundation nodes on EC2 and start claiming dat money
mircea_popescu: becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change.
nubbins`: seems easy enough to write a patch that changes version string
mircea_popescu: and as far as i hear you can't really sell A series as a non profit.
mircea_popescu: so let them do something useful for once in their lifetime, it's not a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ?
mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file ☟︎
asciilifeform: in general i agree re: 'wrestling with the pig', but i'm at a loss re: how we aren't simply wearing bull's eyes for no particular reason
mircea_popescu: "Skipping a bunch of details, they left something in her and it was the cause of last week's night in the ER. The working theory is it is a part from the surgical robot that got dislodged or broken off as all their sponge, suture, and staple counts were on. Regardless, it wasn't there before and it is now and I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen next. According to my wife, the surgeon is of the opinion that
mircea_popescu: i am terribly curious how the us would look should the eu decide to sanction IT for half a year.
mircea_popescu: for that matter... russia has been "under sanctions" for half a year.
mircea_popescu: in the woods cabin that is this world, the us shirt sits on the chest of a 16 yo, and his brother the 15yo yurp wears a dirtier one. Nevertheless, the absolute dirtiest one is worn by the 32 yo chinese man, whose shirt is dirty because he's the ony one who gets to fuck the only local woman
ben_vulpes: is it a straight up purchase of dud assets?
mircea_popescu: there are people who would take a fucking picture of a fucking poster for fifty bucks
nubbins`: there are people who would do this for a buck a month
nubbins`: there are plenty of people who would do this for like 5 bucks a month
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vf5xs/deathandtaxes_has_a_brilliant_posting_on_the/ << more whining and machinations of flailing arms
thestringpuller: Really needs to be a drinking game for these things where you take a shot everytime someone uses a buzz word.
mircea_popescu: why not a bag of dicks, while at it.
jurov: it's just a bag of blocks
mircea_popescu: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << are we desperate for old style blockchains ?
mircea_popescu: basically a dice game amirite ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road << you're keeping screenshots aren't you.
nubbins`: (incidentally, the volca sample receives OS updates as modulated audio via a 3.5mm stereo jack)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so you're a hobbit?
thestringpuller: davout: i kno. i'm just being a h8er. Can't I just hate on people.
mircea_popescu: PeterL not much trade, gonna do a joint statement
davout: oh, a romanian camel dude
jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it
asciilifeform: not as much of a deal-killer as it appears, however, because netbsd kernel + required userland (not incl. bitcoind) can slide under 2MB easily
asciilifeform: ramdisk is a must because there is no support in netbsd for pogo's nand flash
asciilifeform: re: pogo: i have a cross-compile setup of netbsd for pogo (run on any reasonable unix) working
nubbins`: imaigne manually patching .5.3 for two days, then downloading the blockchain off a random torrent
nubbins`: not really smooth sailing for any definition thereof, but it's a start
nubbins`: leave the stale one around for a week to let existing peers finish
asciilifeform: it has to be a built-in mechanism
nubbins`: throw a fresh torrent up weekly
asciilifeform: at present, you end up connecting to a node using ip-over-dead-goat-modem and curse your fate until disconnects
nubbins`: alf, you're a sage
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean << i recently bought just such a machine. there are at least a dozen manufacturers, and apparently all but one sell machine that work on 'random walk' principle.
nubbins`: maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america ☟︎
nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road
nubbins`: i can't imagine anywhere in the world having the capacity or desire to replicate 4k floppies at a time