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punkman: "An owner of a 3D printer recently told me that "having one really exposes the impotence of… not having one." << it's a great timesink, especially if you enjoy flapping your hands wondering why the fuck it's not printing or why it's on fire again

Vexual: Reminds me of some aussie cops spending 10k on a printer and 9bux on a roll pf cornstarch to show how a liberator will take your fingers orf

mircea_popescu: decimation: of course, printing something structurally critical like a bracket holding weight is a great application for weakass-plastic 3d printing << yes, because hopefully it falls on his head.

ben_vulpes: Whenever it came time for his daily bowl of soup he would look around for the nearest "girl" and ask if she would fetch it to him. It did not matter if she was the cook, an engineer, or the president of the company. I once asked a female engineer who had just been a victim of this if it bothered her. "Yes, it really annoys me," she said. "On the other hand, he is the only one who ever explained quantum mechanics to me as if I could

ben_vulpes: aside from having the thing actually be programmable, but that's apparently a nonstarter in our world.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: on the subject of 'gimp'-like proggys with terrifyingly layered menus - this is a well-known plague and there is no, afaik, ready pill for it.

decimation: it could swap on a hard drive at extreme performance penalty

ben_vulpes: i'd no idea that compiling a static bitcoind would take quite so much memory. then again, it's loading all of boost and dbb and openssl - does all of the above need to reside in memory at the same time?

asciilifeform: why -build- on a vps ?

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and did you spend a similar amount of time attempting to 'work' the same way in 'the gimp'?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as you can probably guess, 'not from a good life'

ben_vulpes: and i mean for hours, weeks at a stretch?

ben_vulpes: every little feature squireled away a million menus down

decimation: I think I used it a little while, it mostly works

decimation: asciilifeform: actually I think the best explanation for 'why hypercard had to die' is that apple discovered that you could sell software to chumps at huge profit, whereas actually competing on hardware is a low-margin miserable business

ben_vulpes: the best part about labview is how once a person builds a reasonably complex thing in it they and only they can really understand where all the pipes go and where all the data is and how control moves around

asciilifeform: decimation: if you'd like a canonical list of those turds, of several years' vintage, read the comments to 568.

decimation: and a variety of similar 'startups'

decimation: yeah that makes sense. as I recall as a youth in school, it was used as kind of a proto-powerpoint

asciilifeform: in an earlier age, 'hypercard' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 << my article on the subject) filled a similar niche

decimation: Because there's very little I can imagine labview can do that couldn't be replaced with a few hundred lines of "c" and the labview driver library

asciilifeform: sorta occupies that niche of 'i need to automate a process but i refuse to learn to program'

asciilifeform: ^ fella owns a princely collection of cnc equipment

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: on the other hand if all you want to do is to define some geometry and run a lathe, there are tolerably sane proggys around

decimation: I certainly can describe a bolt as 'Hex bolts, Stainless steel 18-8, 1/4"-20'' and have a pretty good idea of what I mean

asciilifeform: it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction << depends on what is being drawn. see 'openscad' etc.

decimation: asciilifeform: made a comment on that post

assbot: Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtx5Iy )

decimation: https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)" ☟︎

decimation: well, there's certainly a 'does it fit' aspect that is visual

assbot: 0 results for 'co-processor from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=co-processor+from%3Aasciilifeform

ben_vulpes: it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction.

ben_vulpes: i wasn't programming when i was a hot modeler.

decimation: ben_vulpes: do either of those systems accept 'scripting' inputs, such that you could describe the parts with a textual interface?

ben_vulpes: it has been a few years since i looked at the "open" cadcam "solutions".

decimation: so you gotta wonder how long it took the guy to dick around with his winblows cad software to create a bracket

decimation: of course, printing something structurally critical like a bracket holding weight is a great application for weakass-plastic 3d printing

decimation: lol "An owner of a 3D printer recently told me that "having one really exposes the impotence of… not having one. For instance, I needed this little thingie to hold a shelf. Took 30 minutes to design and print. And where would I get it otherwise?!" The answer, of course, is "at a nearby store" where they have a box full of these thingies at about 20 cents apiece. Of course, in a couple thousand years, his investment in the 3D printer

decimation: lol asciilifeform >"If this strikes you as absurd, does it strike you as even more absurd that people claim something to be a problem when its "solution" is as obvious as it is ridiculous? (Or is it really that ridiculous? Farm subsidies exist. Why not FarmVille subsidies?)"

asciilifeform: 'If there's a shortage of programmers, we could pay programmers more money.'

assbot: A simple way to "get more people to code" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtv6nK )

asciilifeform: http://yosefk.com/blog/a-simple-way-to-get-more-people-to-code.html

mircea_popescu: https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/1975/1975551/00050efb-57c8-384f-c07a-4a309d258337_720.jpg

decimation: more lolz http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/11/elizabeth-warren-wont-back-rand-pauls-au < "Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.), a member of the Banking Committee and an outspoken critic of the Fed’s oversight of big banks, said she does not support Mr. Paul’s proposed legislation [to force a complete audit of the fed], which she said could have “dangerous” implications for monetary policy."

asciilifeform: if you sit and think for a minute about how the memory works, it becomes clear why.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but on all machines you're likely to meet, there is at the very least a performance penalty for them

ben_vulpes: a RagnarDanneskjol!

trinque: anyone have a high bandwidth node I can give to deedbot to speed his ass up?

trinque watches atop -d... what the hell is btcd reading at a sustained 4mb/sec

ben_vulpes: decimation: i've wasted 3 days over the past two weeks trying to get a modern browser to boot into x11 for os x.

assbot: 27 results for 'llvm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=llvm

decimation: re: apple compilers < i wasted a few hours last week trying to get macports to build 'octave'

ben_vulpes: a pauper is i.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: contaminate my mind with the c toolchain << if it isn't a secret, what do you normally work with ?

asciilifeform: a good project might be to transform it into a makefile.

asciilifeform: also realize that the script is not a 'makefile' and will pointlessly repeat heavy work if rerun

mircea_popescu: anyway, in vaguely related news, i'm preparing a pretty lulzy "outrage the feminists" thing for later.

mircea_popescu: parallel construction is apparently a universal hobby. "tipsters" ? what tipsters. nobody fucking tips gawker.

mircea_popescu: now, the real journo story : how deep a discount did gawker offer on their advertising, who said no, why did they say no.

decimation: "The movement against public shaming had gained momentum in 1787, when Benjamin Rush, a physician in Philadelphia and a signer of the Declaration of Independence, wrote a paper calling for its demise — the stocks, the pillory, the whipping post, the lot. “Ignominy is universally acknowledged to be a worse punishment than death,” he wrote. “It would seem strange that ignominy should ever have been adopted as a milder punishment

decimation: "It’s possible that Sacco’s fate would have been different had an anonymous tip not led a writer named Sam Biddle to the offending tweet. Biddle was then the editor of Valleywag, Gawker Media’s tech-industry blog. He retweeted it to his 15,000 followers and eventually posted it on Valleywag, accompanied by the headline, “And Now, a Funny Holiday Joke From IAC’s P.R. Boss.”"

decimation: "Sacco boarded the plane. It was an 11-hour flight, so she slept. When the plane landed in Cape Town and was taxiing on the runway, she turned on her phone. Right away, she got a text from someone she hadn’t spoken to since high school: “I’m so sorry to see what’s happening.” Sacco looked at it, baffled."

asciilifeform: it's a dictionary gloss of the engl.

asciilifeform: decimation: nah, 'anarchotyranny' - useful term, commonly understood - is when certain useful idiots are permitted a free hand to terrorize designated victims

asciilifeform: as in, if flying a pilotless machine from washington to new york is punishable with life at hard labour, the cargo may as well be cocaine

asciilifeform: the corollary to the 'first law,' 'not caught not thief' - is 'may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb'

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I might give that a go next time

decimation: "Federal regulators plan to propose rules that would limit commercial drone flights to below 500 feet, daytime hours and within sight of the operator, while also requiring operators to pass written exams, according to a federal document posted online Friday."

BingoBoingo: This run with a 4GB process RAM limit it hasn't crashed yet. Just crossed the 512 MB line around block 153000

asciilifeform: (also posted to listserv a while ago)

asciilifeform: and so read log; now, what's this i hear re: a 10mb statically-linked bitcoind ?!

mircea_popescu: not that i've actually met a woman seriously into bdsm that was all derpy with this atomic consent bs anyway.

BingoBoingo: Red is one of the worst imagineable for the purpose. It does nothing to break the context of the situation and fits in too many contexts appropirate to the situation. It's like a trailer park feeding trough using icecream as its safe word to get gluttons to leave.

mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole construction's fucking irresponsible. for one thing, the subject's not in any position to evaluate anything. there are specific, well documented, well understood biological mechanisms that prevent a sane evaluation.

BingoBoingo: And seriously spz safewords are a thing red is a horribru one. Now Balloon or "I'm not just sure, I'm HIV positive" might have some potential.

asciilifeform: but in the corner of the room, a little red-white-and-blue weasel sits and whispers in her ear, 'we can move, remove, all the walls, in exchange for just a trifle'

mircea_popescu: it's unhealthy for said world to just infinitely give way in all directions all the time. at least some of the time she has to come face flat against a stone wall.

asciilifeform: I have to tell you it felt like an icy dagger being pounded straight into my heart. People tell me I’m pretty easy-going and in that situation I believed I proved it. But I really hope there aren’t too many women who make a habit of this. Because I don’t think men are biologically constructed to pass such tests reliably.'

asciilifeform: 'Try this one on for size. A man and woman are together, making out, removing clothes, getting totally naked, engaging in foreplay with both partners active, the woman mounts the man and begins rubbing her stuff on his stuff, without penetration but obviously that’s the next step; and then she suddenly says “I’m uncomfortable doing this,” and turns completely cold. I’ve experienced this. I respected the “No” but

assbot: <i>Negroes and the Gun</i>: A Winchester “in every Black home” - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CurHBe )

BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/01/29/negroes-and-the-gun-a-winchester-in-every-black-home/

mircea_popescu: it's more of a contest of possible scapegoats.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the funniest part is the notion that anyone gives a shit what comes out of it.

decimation: except for the part where they pass it off as a fair election

mircea_popescu: it's like putting your dollars in a roth.

asciilifeform: 'Less than 20% of Bitcoin Foundation members will be eligible to vote due to a new requirement that members "activate" their accounts. Even if they are candidates, current board members, regularly participate in the foundation message boards or are actively involved with the foundation. Even those who just joined within the last month would not be able to vote unless they performed the additional step of "activating" accounts.'

mircea_popescu: well, i would imagine if they actually aim to be female they'd miss having a cunt more than having a dick.

Bagels7: I never asked but I might assume they miss having a dick

BingoBoingo: Japanese companies tend towards similarly high share prices because of a lack of splits

wpalczynski: ive just never seen a share of any company worth nearly that much

thestringpuller: eventually i plan to run cron job that pulls data from kako's w.b-a.link api

thestringpuller: Nah its a static graph. And I need to redo one of the algorithms to only list those with L2 trust, a few pop up that shouldn't be there.

joecool: thestringpuller: is that only importing from gribble's wot when a new member joins the -assets wot?

joecool: need to get trust in -assets, i look like the leader of a splinter faction on here http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ lol

thestringpuller: asciilifeform: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922646 << is this why a lot of the US's rockets blew up during "apollo" or what not? ☝︎

thestringpuller: on a saturday?

mod6: Anyway, none of this really matters until we can get a statically linked build.

mod6: There's a lot of moving parts in there, and deps. It's hard to put a finger on what exactly it is, right now. Especially since we are all using slightly different environments. Too many variable.s

mod6: We'll figure it out at somepoint. I think, for now the important thing is that we have a workaround.

mod6: it probably will take a while.