asciilifeform: the chemistry was not there.

asciilifeform: or even 1988.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: appreciate, there was no way to make lispmachine cheap in 1978

asciilifeform: like the visigoths broke apart roman mosaics

asciilifeform: except that modern-day idiots use the broken-off pieces of it in everything.

asciilifeform: then essentially vanished.

asciilifeform: the lisp thing (goes far beyond a style of programming language, but concepts like dynamic type and garbage collection and a number of other concepts) started at stanford under mccarthy himself, then mit 'project mac' (nothing to do with apple), then mit ai lab and 'lispmachine'

asciilifeform: didn't say that it skipped.

asciilifeform: long before rms was famous.

asciilifeform: mno

asciilifeform: but he did not take it from idiots. he took it from smart folks

asciilifeform: herr w has a considerable, imho psychiatric, 'greatness complex'

asciilifeform: but if i had to hazard a guess, it is because 1) it was great 2) not his

asciilifeform: ask him ?

asciilifeform: wolfram?

asciilifeform: go stand on top of a basketball, to experience this.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255554 << from what i've been told, the common problem of all 'handlebar-less segway' machines is the muscle strain from the constant effort involved in not falling off the thing while tilting it to steer ☝︎

asciilifeform: ^ cult meme

asciilifeform: (tm) (r)

asciilifeform: (aside from basement vhs)

asciilifeform: so not yet age of electro-pr0n

asciilifeform: trinque: sense of humour, but vga was hardly even a thing yet (certainly in the east)

asciilifeform admits that he had to actually pull the thing off the shelf and check !

asciilifeform: ^ not in the book. a very clean photochop gag, aha

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1094237 << another thread re: same. ☝︎

asciilifeform: wolfram tried to steal an entire ~discipline~ - as described in http://bactra.org/reviews/wolfram and elsewhere

asciilifeform: (idiot plagiarists plagiarize text; clever ones - concepts; great ones - whole systems, disciplines)

asciilifeform: as in, expert plagiarist, who is very, very good at what he does.

asciilifeform: gotta understand that wolfram is a great (in the sense of edison) plagiarist

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/BUxXH76CYdc/IunywkAxufMJ

asciilifeform: he hated it so much that when he understood that there is no escape from it if you want a sane and fully expressive programming system, he gave it a thick spraypaint coat to hide it

asciilifeform: phf: aha. this is discussed in the logs

asciilifeform: ^ discussion

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746

asciilifeform: (for folks who never suffered the misfortune of getting involved with ipNohe - if you want your proggy to have a ui, and actually execute, much less get past the censors - you have to write at least a large chunk of it in next^H^H^Hcrapple's abortion of a c-with-classes)

asciilifeform: you're stuck with the imposed retardation

asciilifeform: trinque: even 'c' on iphone is problematic

asciilifeform: so i ended up thinking 'if i'm stuck with a $maxint system where i can't hold a conversation with civilians because no one else has the runtime, may as well requisition 'mathematica'...' - so i did

asciilifeform: was told 'go buy allegro'

asciilifeform: what i ended up getting was slow-as-molasses, almost microshitesque experience

asciilifeform: trinque: i more or less broke my brain against the wall years ago trying to make clim run decently under modern unixen

asciilifeform: or even could not hire them at all, and keep the dough

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'know, you don't have to make the 'people' write programs. could send them to, e.g., make you coffee, while you write commonlisp

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255484 << run moar weird closedsource networking systems, aha ☝︎

asciilifeform: !s lisp cogs

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: trinque: that was my piece actually

asciilifeform: (for non-programmers: just about every language, other than lisp-family, has repeated chunks of boilerplate that programmers end up forced to memorize, and litter their work with. these are sometimes called 'design patterns')

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'macros' (in the lisp-family sense, because they DEMAND homoiconic language, and there are no others) exist to shoot 'design patterns' in the head

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255557 << the correct use of lispmacro is, as any other notation, to maximally orthogonalize the system ☝︎

asciilifeform: (of executable code, that is)

asciilifeform writes perhaps a dozen lines of text on a typical day

asciilifeform digs in logs, but fails to turn up, the discussion of typing

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255542 <<< i did say this, many times ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255535 <<<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011152 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: refferedbyloper: you managed to discover how to begin at less than zero, congrats

asciilifeform: doesn't seem to be doing much with this one.

asciilifeform: so wtf ?

asciilifeform: ( as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1504 )

asciilifeform: or he'd be 'referredbyloper'

asciilifeform: umm no he isn't

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255432 << considering that this works just as perceptibly on the fathers, it is probably an effect of hanging out with children ☝︎

asciilifeform: the last time this came up

asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc chetty said something similar

asciilifeform: or how did it go.

asciilifeform: spank if you must, this old gray head, but spare your country's flag, she said

asciilifeform: but the point remains, that microscope does not benefit from use as hammer.

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: this incidentally is behind 'thinking people want to ~use~ their brains' which mircea_popescu counted as a sin

asciilifeform: brain atrophies much like muscles

asciilifeform: approximately

asciilifeform: can't say whether it is a biological effect or simply the matter of being in a room with small children entire day

asciilifeform: ask them.

asciilifeform: easily double-digit

asciilifeform: don't discount the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning

asciilifeform: 'rare' enough to mostly guarantee a tard in every jury box, etc

asciilifeform blows dust off ancient crud

asciilifeform: stanford-binet had something else..

asciilifeform: by weschler, that is

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traditionally '70' corresponds to -2 sd, and '85' to -1.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255216 << the scheme pictured isn't terribly useful for the same reason that dirigibles are difficult to fly. ☝︎

asciilifeform: grind the gaussian.

asciilifeform: ~14

asciilifeform: ^ by definition not especially rare

asciilifeform: the folks who neatly cancel out one another's sharp edges.

asciilifeform: from experience with the usual boring specimens of humanity one encounters on the street, in trains, lifts, jury box

asciilifeform: it works, but in the way a train works - on rails laid down by others.

asciilifeform: ice-cold, as far as i can tell

asciilifeform: in what sense hot ?

asciilifeform: see canonical 'timecube'.

asciilifeform: sorta like you can't have chemistry, in the customary electroweak-force sense, happen on the surface of a star.

asciilifeform: from my point of view, proper 'insane' is when someone is so 'hot' that his mind has trouble sticking even to... arithmetic, cause-and-effect, and other knobs of the physical world we live in.

asciilifeform: housewife 'adheres to the mob', yes. but the trait in question (or rather lack thereof) is the ~why~

asciilifeform: (discounting modern folks who walks around pretending to be newton on account of hearing voices, etc)

asciilifeform: 'insane' is necessarily a judgement made by the mob

asciilifeform: turn it all the way down - you get a housewife ☟︎

asciilifeform: turn it up past a certain point, and you get something clearly recognizable as 'batshit'

asciilifeform: he pictured originality in thought as something like the 'temperature' in a simulated-annealing

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193607 << possibly this ☝︎

asciilifeform: '+ev in his head' != 'consciously regard as gain'