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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1667973 << thios got forgotten! ☝︎
sina: has asciilifeform reviews the codes?
ben_vulpes: hat trick!
mircea_popescu: alrighty then. so we get 3.
sina: and I developed them in tandem
sina: mircea_popescu: yes both python and go return identical hashes for stuff I tested
mircea_popescu: go. sina did you ever get python to snuff also ?
ben_vulpes: but yeah i caught that i got a new caftan! neato!
ben_vulpes: "you don't have a website?! linking to github?!"
ben_vulpes: heh and i get the astonishment too. that it's so deep, and about the weirdest of shit!
sina: you guys are literally the first and only people, ever, to actually care :P
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 04:19 ben_vulpes: sina: sensible thing to do is make a genesis of your shit, stand up an mp-wp and post it on your blog
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668957 << not terrifically unexpected, no ☝︎
sina: ben_vulpes: there was one, but I never posted anything to it
mircea_popescu: the problem isn't their per-unit value. the problem is their count ; and the unthinkingness.
sina: I get paid to make stuff during work hours and that's not shared with anyone :P
mircea_popescu: sina how's that change anything ?
sina: also what's on there is just...how do I put it? hobby projects? stuff I do in my spare time
ben_vulpes: sina: why the resistance to making a website?
mircea_popescu: no two bit us-run "company" should have the sort of power ~everyone unthinkingly gave twitter et all.
mircea_popescu: "github presents -- black chix code. this is what's important. we'd know because be bamboozled 5mn sinas into giving us free shit!"
mircea_popescu: as if THEY had anything to do with it, any say in it, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: no. i am asking what exactly must be your thought process to give away your work to a bunch of usg tarded spammers so they can then turn around and sell it.
sina: mircea_popescu: are you asking if that is the only place it exists other than my HDD? a: no
mircea_popescu: will i have been made a sucker for your sake then ?
mircea_popescu: sina suppose, for the sake of entirely idle argument going over things that could never happen irl, that in a week github comes up with a "code of conduct" and you get booted off it.
sina: the castle has cgit but it is behind the wall
mircea_popescu: now trilema's linking to github, this is what i get for my sluttery.
sina: anyway if you hate it no need to link, like Isaid nothing is public facing there atm anyway
mircea_popescu: it's what it is : a subdomain off a domain in a space run by fucktards who figure hey, "if this is all we sell it'll count"
mircea_popescu: you know, just because the brits.co.uk are fucktarded, doesn't change how domain names work.
mircea_popescu: well so then reg a domain and use that.
mircea_popescu: own your things. not just your bitcoin. all your things, i say.
mircea_popescu: "where do i send the check ?" "oh, here's my landlord's address. he takes all my money and i guess if he's bored buys me little riffled ankle socks so i can dance in the street"
sina: you can link sina.id.au I guess, that is the castle home but no blog currently live there
mircea_popescu: and sina ben_vulpes where's the cannonical impl live for each of you ? i dun want to change links later.
sina: ok well those were the 2 things which I believe the spec should be refined to state clearly
ben_vulpes: iirc we hit consensus with [0, count) in golang, however you implemented that
sina: if I change golang to <=, it differs from python
mircea_popescu: iirc that was correctly [0, count)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-10 04:09 ben_vulpes: my next q is does the iteration run [0, count] or [0, count)
sina: there is also this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1668191 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so girl bought imported (us) strawberries, and i swear to god they taste like detergent. washed and rinsed the living shit out of them. it's in the fucking skin.
sina: which led to this conclusion http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1668162 ☝︎
sina: one was this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1668149 ☝︎
sina: mircea_popescu: off the top of my head there were two things that I thought needed clarification
sina: must find food. mircea_popescu please excuse if I'm tardy on your return
sina: especially for the usecase of gossipd, python cannot be the final lang
asciilifeform: wartime duct tape.
sina: yah, that is understood
asciilifeform: but they aren't here to stay.
sina: and I do remember a logline from asciilifeform "written in python because if I didn't then it wouldn't exist" or along those lines
sina: in this case it has at least allowed for rapid iteration
asciilifeform: except most of it dun need to be rebuilt, after burning
sina: I guess you think the entire edifice of computing should be torn down and rebuilt
sina: mod6: although, again, maybe not, I think the desire is to not have sqlite dep and use fs so...
sina: definitely need index on keys table
sina: it was intentionally loose to begin with, but now can be constrainted
mod6: sina: aside from alfs previous assertions; do you not want a primary key field set in the messages or keys table?
sina: asciilifeform: I think all the stuff you care about will be in process/
asciilifeform: makes it painful to read
sina: somehow it's 1pm and I haven't eaten breakfast, going to walk to the shop
asciilifeform: sina: it's physically impossible then
sina: yeah, I definitely appreciate the fitsinhead thing
asciilifeform: which means that if you're even thinking about grinders, it is Wrong.
asciilifeform: sina: the other thing is, life-critical code gotta be fitsinhead.
sina: although I do guess the researchers could be convinced to send source
sina: asciilifeform: nope, and I did look! the closest thing I found was this, which is both not public and not for constantime, although interesting nonetheless drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/volltexte/2012/3587/pdf/3.pdf
asciilifeform: afaik mine is the only fixed spacetime bigint lib that exists publicly
sina: if you impl as constant time you don't need ctgrind
sina: but I guess that point stands anyway
sina: asciilifeform: not valgrind for valgrinding, but ctgrind patched valgrind for checking constant timeness of existing code
sina: that is true trinque
trinque: consider also the value of the gentleman who writes the thing ~being in your wot~
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 12:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633699 << it is a notbad library to study (no external deps!) -- but it DOES use heap.
sina: mod6: no, thank *you*
asciilifeform: sina: it is in the logs
sina: asciilifeform: btw I was going to ask you about your feelings on this https://github.com/cforler/Ada-Crypto-Library ...obviously hasn't been impl for constant time/space but regardless. may be possible to ctgrind it using that valgrind patch I linked in the logs
mod6: ah, thx!
mod6: sina: where's the code?
asciilifeform: with the ffa massages
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still eat'em faster than they shit'em, but currently tied up
asciilifeform: prolly this weekend
mircea_popescu: i suspect today is the day tmsr production exceeded the ability of any one man to keep abreast of.
sina: asciilifeform: wondering if you took a look at my revised gossipthing by any chance?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 21:39 mircea_popescu: in the end the circling will always come to the same square : do you wish to live long, or do you wish to live well.
sina: cool see you then
mircea_popescu: yeah, the goal is to nail them ALL.
sina: but there are definitely one or two additional refinements
mircea_popescu: cool. read the article, make list of what you think needs changed
sina: mircea_popescu: sure. happy to. FWIW, I kept README.md in my python repo updated with the spec as our discussions went on
sina: ahh you took the words out of my mouth!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 20:38 mircea_popescu: was next step but sina moved to gossipding
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676418 << happy to do any benchmarking you like assuming its agreed finalised ☝︎
mircea_popescu: hey listen sina, wanna go with me through the fhf spec and make final version ?
sina: hiya tmsr
mod6: <+trinque> I'll try that one instead << let me know if it "works" for ya
mod6: e560 thinkpad
mod6: i dunno, im pretty sure i used gcc4 to build x on this box. o.O
asciilifeform: i hate to be the bringer of badnoose... but it is so.