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mircea_popescu: took her most of the day to even get her head wrapped around what exactly she's not understanding about what happened.
mircea_popescu: yest i wanted to make myself batido, the swiss iutem was fullo of some health crap the girls drink, so i was whatever. then later new girl emitted "it's clean now!" signal and i was like "bitch, srsly ? you're... signalling me now ?!"
asciilifeform: it'd have made FG much easier to make, for instance
asciilifeform: i'd luvvv a clock like that, btw
mircea_popescu: i knew this dream was too good to last.
asciilifeform: clock ain't magic, it does not teleport to whole circuit instantaneously
mircea_popescu: to simply "run it by the clock"
asciilifeform: it's how you read/write the actual stable signal you put/got , rather than liquishit.
asciilifeform: anyway the badnoose for mircea_popescu is that you're stuck with the busy signal because that's what the 's' in sram or sdram stands for. the synchronicity.
asciilifeform satisfied that mircea_popescu saw
mircea_popescu: it was much shorter and slightly thicker than my penis.
mircea_popescu: takes "flickers in and out of existence" to a whole new level.
asciilifeform: ever touched, with own hands ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nono, there's this wire, and it does 1thz, and you connect w/e you want to it, go ahead.
trinque: sitting on 32gb of the stuff atm
asciilifeform: you want to run at the baud rate of the terminal, lol?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuck that, wire speed.
trinque: my shitty ram claims to run at 3.2ghz
mircea_popescu: not if there's any real engineers involved!
asciilifeform: there'll be a khz item in there, regardless.
mircea_popescu: or don't put a disk in this.
asciilifeform: you then run at the disk's 1khz.
mircea_popescu: 1khz or 1thz, whatever you can get the hardware to do.
mircea_popescu: none of that. just poll at fixed speed. that is the clock.
asciilifeform: the traditional scheme is that a read happens when the thing being read drops its busy line; and a write begins when when the 'victim' drops his busy signal, and ends when he drops it again after raising.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a signal processor someone dropped on the floor.
trinque: where is ADD getting its terms to add.
mircea_popescu: trinque yes. asciilifeform he's trying to visualize how the damned thing talks to the world.
trinque: for the slower cogitaters trying to keep up, this guy has two registers? operations hanging off the executor read from these?
asciilifeform: as in, 3 orders of magnitude slower than others.
asciilifeform: it is pretty easy to give the fast devices cancer and make'em wait for the slow.
mircea_popescu: this sounds like engineer problem, really. make the multer same speed as adder.
mircea_popescu: the real gain is if this thing could be signal-less
asciilifeform: the gain is the minimality of the hardware.
mircea_popescu: yes but this then leaks most of the gains
asciilifeform: 'want to write to me? wait a bit'
asciilifeform: it simply means 'if yer trying to read from me, you gotta wait or go do something else for a spell'
mircea_popescu: which is why my mind went to "would run slow" : cpu clock is largest-hanger-clock + 1
asciilifeform: 'ready signals' are how you finesse the problem of subcomponents of different speeds.
mircea_popescu: i'd prefer it if this had no out band signalling. at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not "naturally" they always run, since "ready signals" were mentioned.
mircea_popescu: the compiler for arbitrary this arch would be one helluva piece of gnarl.
mircea_popescu: well, tree them.
asciilifeform: and you can likewise 'chain' the 'cpus' with ~0 effort.
asciilifeform: naturally they 'always run'
asciilifeform: is the point.
mircea_popescu: the one thing that comes to mind is that the correct approach is for all devices hanging off bus to always run, so that when cpu gets 0xaa 0xbb then the mult mults, the adder adds, and nobody knows WHICH of them the processor peeked for the result.
asciilifeform: the quick sub-devices will run quickly, the slow-slowly.
mircea_popescu: it sounded like signal processor at first, but then it kinda went bent. wouldn't this be damned slow ?
asciilifeform: you can make this out of discrete logic.
asciilifeform: so adder, multer, etc, etc all exist simply as devices that hang from 1 set of wires. ☟︎
asciilifeform: so for instance if you want to load in a constant somewhere, you gotta read it from the constanttron (which is some range of addrs)
asciilifeform: all other operations exist in the form of devices that hang off this bus, right next to the memory
asciilifeform: cpu reads from source (which can be a slow device, it waits for readysignal) and writes (ditto) to B.
asciilifeform: idea is, 'cpu' that only knows how to do 1 thing:
asciilifeform: 'transport triggered architecture'
asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: speaking of which, i've been wanting to discuss 'simplest cpu' for a while. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose so. but eg "power diff analysis" very much "leverage of the thingness of item"
asciilifeform: to what extent can ideal object (proggy) be conceptually cut from the physical 'mortal soil'
asciilifeform: well this is the mega-question of our time neh
mircea_popescu: i know of no other thing that'd make the cut
asciilifeform: like 'bridge is good for T tonnes of tank'
asciilifeform: given that the system includes a physical component, this is reasonable
mircea_popescu: which is what we were talking aboot.
mircea_popescu: which makes the "0 days cost X" a legitimate statement of the ~security~ of a system.
mircea_popescu: the ~only way to specify the security of a certain, definite, given system is still "good for up to $x btc"
asciilifeform: so motherfucking theorem.
asciilifeform: ( tableau proof )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja read the beginning, say, of ffa. there's a proof of correctness for the adder, for instance.
mircea_popescu: because no, by your own lights within five minutes, NOT "like theorem". unlike theorem.
mircea_popescu: in this case <asciilifeform> like theorem. is entirely spurious non-contribution to teh discussion.
asciilifeform: 'sqrt(2) is irrational' -- theorem
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk. is this a 0 day being sold here ?
mircea_popescu: oooo, that's what it was! check you out, YOU introduced the word theorem to describe what we were discussing, and then conveniently YOU point out YOU used the wrong word ?
asciilifeform: or turn into theorems
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:05 asciilifeform: there is not ( and probably provably cannot be ) a 'luby for computation'
asciilifeform: nope. 'gradated' theorems are called 'conjectures' instead.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are in fact gradations of validity in theorem, and you use them daily.
asciilifeform: no physical beams of steel to fatigue, in theorem.
mircea_popescu: in fact, no medicine yet devised bestows endless life as a young man ; and yet i can say sulfmetoxazole better for gonorhea than cough syrup.
asciilifeform: there are no gradations in validity of theorem.
asciilifeform: like theorem.
mircea_popescu: every tank can be flattened, and yet i can make comparative judgements re tiger vs mathilde.
asciilifeform: the duty of engineer is to ignore godel. like soldier's is to ignore death.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
mircea_popescu: in practice, "what's this tank worth" doesn't depend on "there is NO ARROW THAT COULD PIERCE THIS SHIELD!!!" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: just like tank fillness is binary, right ? "is it full or isn;'t it"
mircea_popescu: goes from full to empty in a yard and then it stops the next yard ?
asciilifeform: that's the spec for ffa, for instance.
mircea_popescu: "do not put over $x in aggregate on this system" is pretty much the only way you'd do it anyway.
asciilifeform: ( see the old treblinka thread )
asciilifeform: the wunderwaffen, when it works, works exactly like the auschwitz guard's machinegun - 'can't shoot all of the prisoners, but can shoot any particular in 1 go'. and fails in exactly same gametheoretical way.
mircea_popescu: "you have to plan for your future" "how about your daugther plans for parenthood"
mircea_popescu: this is a very typical ustardian headroach, deliberately educated into their brains like those african tribes with the flattened skulls.
asciilifeform: ( which iirc the turks did not even bother to pick up and use )
asciilifeform: at the point when nobody cares, you're done, like the siphonariae of byzantium
asciilifeform: '50k bullets', if useful at all, are only so as 'fleet in being' -- 'damocle's sword could Smite You Any Day Of The Week' etc
mircea_popescu: sort-of how "the improved technology" of us army makes most countries immune to it. "what, you're gonna blow a 5mn tomahawk to destroy this here 20k hangar ? bwahahaha go right ahead, the chinese give 50k in cash rebates for each destroyed hangar they rebuild cuz you tomahawked."