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asciilifeform: wiles, see, 'doesn't count' because 'too long and uses things not taught in kindergarten and wtf is this' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but one crackpot sent one that was correct.
asciilifeform: recall that crackpots STILL send those
mircea_popescu: kinda diminishes the piece in retrospect.
mircea_popescu reread his own version of dudley. are you aware fermat theorem proofs is in his list ?
asciilifeform: still won't save the receiver from.
asciilifeform: ( iirc they do finally have a signed private gps band )
asciilifeform: did the usg.ntp people ever get a signed version going, i wonder
mircea_popescu: people pretending otherwise are pretending otherwise, like the girlies trying to get a husband by staring.\
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as central authority, nor ever was. nor could ever be.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "central authority" bullshit is LITERALLY and quite exactly "time telling oracle"
mircea_popescu: (clock towers -- notoriously innacurate, closer to billboards than to quartz watches)
asciilifeform: ( laugh, but the brit royal society considered this... floating towers , cannon signals etc )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 00:50 mircea_popescu: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is the marine chronometer. The marine chronometer enthusiasts claim it solved the “timing at sea” problem. Two men attempting to meat in front of Saint Paul's need to agree on a time of day, so how do you provide time for a ship at sea ? Very simple, you do not send out ships without a timetelling oracle onboard.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1679792 >> moar closely, oughta be '...simply do not send out ships out of sight of a clock tower!1' ☝︎
erlehmann: i guess trisectorball cannot into hilbert space
erlehmann: > the author has never made a study of these branches of learning
mircea_popescu: is it the u dudley piece ?
asciilifeform: the ' trisectors' piece is hilarious, erlehmann
erlehmann: i remember reading an article about the trisectors
erlehmann: i wonder what “simple” in that sentence would mean. short? or “i have a beautiful solution but it does not fit into the margin of this input field”?
mircea_popescu: do they serve the two pump hurr durr mocha latte yet or still working on it ?
mircea_popescu: cuz you know, dollars don't lack a central authority. somehow. because if we lalalala really hard pantsuit hilarity losing the elections didn't happen and totally the fed is in control of shit.
mircea_popescu: this is by no means singular derapage of one stray goat, either. "how do you check the correctness of a program ?" "very simple -- first, you build an universal corectness checker. then, you feed it your problem. done!"
mircea_popescu: "very simple -- you reach backwards through time and jack your dad off!"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 01:49 asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is Bitcoin. Bitcoin enthusiasts claim it solved the “double spend” problem. A music MP3 can be copied multiple times so how do you stop digital money being spent multiple times? Very simple, you do not create a form of money that lacks a central authority.' << ahahhahaha
phf: wut is this even
mircea_popescu: babbage sleeps happily in his grave, serene in the empirical knowledge that the anglotards of today are just as fucked in the head as the anglotards of his day.
mircea_popescu: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is the marine chronometer. The marine chronometer enthusiasts claim it solved the “timing at sea” problem. Two men attempting to meat in front of Saint Paul's need to agree on a time of day, so how do you provide time for a ship at sea ? Very simple, you do not send out ships without a timetelling oracle onboard.' ☟︎
shinohai: I was in there like maybe a year ago, it's definitely as dead as #b-a
mircea_popescu: do they have a chatroom for bugs and suych ?
shinohai: While Limnoria is stable bot platform, the way it handles plugins does a lot of crazy shit I've never been able to fix. :/
phf: actually, not sure what's going on, that youtube url has slashes escaped for some reason
shinohai: Yeah phf ....it's the heathen google plugin that came with gribble. I haven't bothered to fix, sorry, since I have a rewrite in the worx
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 21:05 jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Țiganiada - Wikisource: <https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/%25C8%259Aiganiada>; Tiganiada - Ion Budai Deleanu - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DbJIT4LKDjV4>; Amazon.com: Tiganiada (Romanian Edition) (9786069830864): Ion ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Tiganiada-Romanian-Ion-Budai-Deleanu/dp/6069830865>
phf: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679724 i just noticed that jhvh1 seems to mangle urls with escape sequences in them on search ☝︎
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/illinois-personal-income-tax-rising-13-over-governors-objections/ << Qntra - Illinois Personal Income Tax Rising ~1/3 Over Governor's Objections
mircea_popescu: much lower "perceived spoiliage value", however. and this because indians aren't worth jack shit in a fight ; whreas rosas kinda scared them
mircea_popescu: and argentina much closer than japan.
mircea_popescu: closer than they were in 1812
asciilifeform: getting materiel to sa was then almost as today is to orbit
mircea_popescu: england, france, the usual muck.
asciilifeform: rather than technologically superior 'martians'
mircea_popescu: had the south managed to produce a de rosas, it'd have been a very different place. substantially, not just superficially.
mircea_popescu: in sicily he is known as the honorable man, ie mobster.
mircea_popescu: he is the continuator of the ancient military traditions of aristocracy, and he yielded the caudillo in south america. he yielded nothing in the southern us, principally because, agian, the germans are congenitally retarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ~only morally or intellectually respectable character in italy, ie the 1800s thing, was to be founbd not in italy but in sicily, which is altogether a different place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: soo the 1812 thing - yer thinking of a separate 'southern' peace with britain..?
mircea_popescu: THAT is what i mean by "ye olde "live and let live" whereby the conservative is always in the end hung.".
asciilifeform: picture if plantation states had managed to build a reasonable defensive army ( feodal-style; with purchased arms, mercenaries.. )
mircea_popescu: ye olde "live and let live" whereby the conservative is always in the end hung.
mircea_popescu: that it wasn't is principally due to the germans being congenitally retarded, and no moar.
mircea_popescu: not really. could have been more romiche reich than empire francais, at the very most.
asciilifeform: but washington/hamilton, with their bait'an'switch trick, nuked that.
asciilifeform: theoretically 'articles of confederation' america could've been moar venice than gypo.
mircea_popescu: i was not. i was stating the gypos then befouling the peninsula are not worthy of inclusion in the species.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so argument is, no venice was possible ? why bash garibaldi then
mircea_popescu: somehow in your mind these two things, one on mars, the other on alpha centauri, kinda meld into a single item
mircea_popescu: i tihnk you have no appreciation of the fact that a thousand years is much MUCH wider than the piddly 5k kms making up the us sideways.
mircea_popescu: by the time garibaldi was even a thing, the lido had long been sanded.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's entirely no relation between garibaldi and say venice. you wanna talk d'este, sforza, zee germanz etc.
mircea_popescu: italy was used as a topographic name in the late empire (ie, 300s, italia) and else in the late 1800s
asciilifeform: i.e. when 'italy' was a topographic name
mircea_popescu: if you had venice in mind, it'd be more proper to say original pre-unified european union.
mircea_popescu: you can't fucking reference the original, 1200 tmsr as "disunified italy" wtf is this.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 22:28 asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers )
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S4MzV/?raw=true << mpfhf in python , I was thinking about http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-05#1679471 and flipping a single bit instead of going through the whole array ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, venice (tmsr!), genoa, florence, all shitholes in the parallel universe mircea_popescu apparently posts from?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, you can drink in tardstalk/reddit/what have you, have your fill.
mircea_popescu: ^ very much recommend. better history of italy than any italian ever could write.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Țiganiada - Wikisource: <https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/%25C8%259Aiganiada>; Tiganiada - Ion Budai Deleanu - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DbJIT4LKDjV4>; Amazon.com: Tiganiada (Romanian Edition) (9786069830864): Ion ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Tiganiada-Romanian-Ion-Budai-Deleanu/dp/6069830865> ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !~google tiganiada
mircea_popescu: you can go to the acropolis right now, see the useless fucktarded greeks sitting around. ~same bs.
mircea_popescu: buncha uppity "students" sitting around coffee tables and being idea men. fuck them with the boot shaped peninsula.
mircea_popescu: the disunified italies contained the original argentina and no more.
asciilifeform brb, tea
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 20:46 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that "an italy" would have been utterly horrible, there's no significant difference between these in respects that interest us. neither wanted "a holy roman empire", and so...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679687 << i'ma very curious nao, what mircea_popescu finds so horrible about the original disunified italies - y'know, the place that contained the original tmsr... ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ie, historically more yous was the only thing they actually knew how to make. so they did. so... not much of a problem.
mircea_popescu: none of this, "i have these toys in my shop, which i play with today".
mircea_popescu: anyway, PeterL has a solid point : you may think of whatever split between capital goods and labour, but fact is, at the time we are discussing the shovel owned oyu, not the other wayu around. if you owned a shovel you were god damned out there shoveling every day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the + is coming oiut of the fed imaginary account, which is cvurrently still credited by china.
asciilifeform: 'where is the + coming from'
mircea_popescu: it's why dorks like it, too. "wealth for everyone!"
asciilifeform: PeterL: the system in question is not the shovel, but you+shovel, and it'd sell for >10bux on slavemarket
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look into small business papers sometime ? waht can i tell yoiu, the bezzle's the bezzle, it's what it does.
mircea_popescu: medieval time, you built, out of stone, a tiny shop, cost about a hundred million in today's fiats, and got custom worth... you kjnow, 200 bux a day.
asciilifeform: how's that to work, unless the thing is built on top of a petrowell, in the basement
mircea_popescu: well, look at modern business. you throw up a bunch of vynil fresh off the boat, worth 40k if you're drunk that day, and call it a restaurant. then you expect revenue in the mn+ ayear.
asciilifeform: ( why would a $good that spews forth 1000, be valued at 100 ?? )
asciilifeform: 'your 100 btc capital good produces 1k btc a year' << where does the + come from in this scenario ?
mircea_popescu: very carefully weighed and so on, since before 1k ad, too.
mircea_popescu: and yes they had re tax : to own a plot of land you produced knights.
mircea_popescu: inflation works this.
mircea_popescu: if your 100 btc capital good produces 1k btc a year, and you pay 1 bitcent in real estate tax and 50% income tax, you're paying... half your income each year, plus a bitcent.
mircea_popescu: here's thje thing. if your capital good worth 100 btc produces 1 btc a year and you pay real estate tax of 0.5% and no income tax, you're payinfg half your income each year.
asciilifeform: what's that to do with the theft rate ?
mircea_popescu: and "shoulda been in the forum a while back" will not parse to anything, either.
asciilifeform: turns out -- not so negligible. nobody in pre-unifications europe paid anything like modern peasant's tax rate
mircea_popescu: for the schmucks getting the sharp end of that stick, the difference will be negligible.